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    One Tune short of a Masterpiece.....

    Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings
    "The Ballad of the Decomposing Man" just ruins this from being a flat-out masterpiece......I think its just rubbish.

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    There are lot of those out there. Masque by Kansas comes to mind. It takes a woman......(first track) was a bad idea on a great album. Hackett and ELP always seemed to like to throw in a goofy bad tune.

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    OK, here's a few of mine...

    Phil Manzanera/801 - Listen Now
    Fantastic album that opens with this awful 8 minute watered down funk disaster...why Phil?

    ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition
    I cannot stand Nutrocker - the piece is uninteresting and pedestrian - and think it ruins an otherwise perfect album.

    Genesis - Wind and Wuthering
    Surely Hackett had some killer piece that got passed over for Your Own Special Way which I've always felt was this awful, sappy love song. I wish they would have held onto it for "And then there were three" where it could live in misery with the equally awful Follow You Follow Me.

    Procol Harum - Home
    Opener "Whiskey Train" just seems so out of place...why open what I regard as their darkest proggiest album with a 12 bar boogie?

    Jethro Tull - Warchild
    Love the album but can't stand "Bungle in the Jungle"...I know it was a massive hit for them but I wish it had been a single-only and not on the album.

    Yes - Close to the Edge
    I've never liked Siberian Khatru and think it keeps CTTE from perfection...I will admit I like the live Yessongs version much better though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WytchCrypt View Post
    OK, here's a few of mine...


    Yes - Close to the Edge
    I've never liked Siberian Khatru and think it keeps CTTE from perfection...
    Oh my...never thought I'd see THIS kind of statement on PE...However, I too like the Yessongs version better (for all 3 CttE tunes for that matter)

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    A few I can think of:
    IQ - Ever would be a masterpiece without Out of Nowhere which is pretty bland by the band's standards
    I would quite enjoy 90125 without Our Song which I hate.
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    Dominion and Rare Bird, while not bad, to me sort of bring down the greatness of Logos and Poland, respectively.

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    Maybe not a masterpiece, but the last Kenso cd had female vocals on the last track, and the new one will as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersonic Scientist View Post
    Oh my...never thought I'd see THIS kind of statement on PE...However, I too like the Yessongs version better (for all 3 CttE tunes for that matter)
    I'll take the three Broof-studio tracks, and you can keep three albums...of...(censored)

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    Mike Oldfield "On Horseback"

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    Rush's "Signals" album is great, except for the last song, Countdown, which IMO is boring - nothing interesting happens. A long Lifeson solo is clearly missing, so the album ends on an unsatisfying note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by progman1975 View Post
    Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings
    "The Ballad of the Decomposing Man" just ruins this from being a flat-out masterpiece......I think its just rubbish.
    I love Hackett's "novelty songs!"
    Replace the cringe-inducing "Narnia" on Please Don't Touch & I'd have no trouble considering that album to be perfect.

    As someone mentioned already, Wind & Wuthering certainly makes this list. Personally, I'd listen to A Trick of the Tail a lot more often if "Mad Man Moon" and/or "Ripples" didn't bore me so badly.

    "Parallels" on Going for the One is a waste of space, IMHO; scrap that one (or the title track, if you'd rather), or maybe just add a song to the album, and that LP would rise above the "it's great, man, considering it was the late 70s..." vibe.
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    I think Hackett's "novelty songs" are part of what makes his solo albums so unique and cool...kind of like a funny moment in the middle of an ultra serious film...I love Decomposing Man, Narnia, Sentimental Institution, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mx20 View Post
    I love Hackett's "novelty songs!"
    Replace the cringe-inducing "Narnia" on Please Don't Touch & I'd have no trouble considering that album to be perfect.

    As someone mentioned already, Wind & Wuthering certainly makes this list. Personally, I'd listen to A Trick of the Tail a lot more often if "Mad Man Moon" and/or "Ripples" didn't bore me so badly.

    "Parallels" on Going for the One is a waste of space, IMHO; scrap that one (or the title track, if you'd rather), or maybe just add a song to the album, and that LP would rise above the "it's great, man, considering it was the late 70s..." vibe.
    Really, Ripples? Do you wish Genesis had always had someone different from Banks then?

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    SEBTP ruined by After the Ordeal (Banks & Gabriel didn't want this included), BoEF(too wordy) & that Collins ballad!
    DP's Machine Head . The Mule is the weak link.
    Alice Cooprr's Killer is perfect except Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
    Trick of the Tale is also perfect minus Mad Man Moon.I detest that song!

    Can't agree with Wind & Wuthering, it is a masterpiece!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    Rush's "Signals" album is great, except for the last song, Countdown, which IMO is boring - nothing interesting happens. A long Lifeson solo is clearly missing, so the album ends on an unsatisfying note.
    Interesting - I like that song the best. But then again, when it came out, I lived about 25 miles from Cape Canaveral and was in awe watching the shuttles go off all the time. Even saw the Challenger explosion live. For me:

    Most Beatles albums always have a goofy or different song that doesn't fit.

    Fragile - the solo pieces 9except for Mood For A Day

    ItCotCK - minus Moonchild

    for starters

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeFrog View Post
    IQ - Ever would be a masterpiece without Out of Nowhere.
    I totally agree!

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    I wouldn't delete anything off Trick of the Tail, but I'd add in It's Yourself to make it perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    DP's Machine Head . The Mule is the weak link.
    A song from Fireball is the weak link on Machine Head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpt3 View Post
    I wouldn't delete anything off Trick of the Tail, but I'd add in It's Yourself to make it perfect!
    I'd replace the title cut with "It's Yourself"...but then I guess they'd have to change the name of the album
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    Quote Originally Posted by WytchCrypt View Post
    Genesis - Wind and Wuthering
    Surely Hackett had some killer piece that got passed over for Your Own Special Way which I've always felt was this awful, sappy love song.
    Well, yes and no. "Please Don't Touch" was passed over, but it was "Wot Gorilla?" which was favoured instead. I've never heard Steve speak ill of "Your Own Special Way" (although I agree with you that it mars an otherwise stunning album). From what I've read over the years, let's just say you won't be seeing "Wot Gorilla?" on Genesis Revisited 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by WytchCrypt View Post
    Jethro Tull - Warchild
    Love the album but can't stand "Bungle in the Jungle"...I know it was a massive hit for them but I wish it had been a single-only and not on the album.
    I love the album too, and "Bungle" is most certainly the weakest cut, but it doesn't ruin it for me. It's very Tull, despite the insipidness of the melody and some of the lyrics. Not to mention, with Aqualung, Thick As A Brick and my favourite, A Passion Play preceding it, it's hard to view War Child as a 'masterpiece' - for me, anyway.


    Quote Originally Posted by LeFrog View Post
    A few I can think of:
    IQ - Ever would be a masterpiece without Out of Nowhere which is pretty bland by the band's standards
    I would quite enjoy 90125 without Our Song which I hate.
    Completely agree with Ever. I thought I was alone on that one! As for 90125, I don't care much for "Our Song", but then I've never cared much for "Hearts" either (I know a lot of people love that one).


    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    Rush's "Signals" album is great, except for the last song, Countdown, which IMO is boring - nothing interesting happens. A long Lifeson solo is clearly missing, so the album ends on an unsatisfying note.
    I've always liked "Countdown" quite a lot. More than "Digital Man" at least. But neither compare to the greatness that is "The Weapon" or "The Analog Kid". Two of the best tracks they did in the 1980s.


    Quote Originally Posted by mx20 View Post
    Personally, I'd listen to A Trick of the Tail a lot more often if "Mad Man Moon" and/or "Ripples" didn't bore me so badly.

    "Parallels" on Going for the One is a waste of space, IMHO; scrap that one (or the title track, if you'd rather)
    OK, here are the two I completely disagree with (it had to happen). Personally, I'd classify both those albums as masterpieces. I've always loved "Parallels" too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    SEBTP ruined by After the Ordeal (Banks & Gabriel didn't want this included), BoEF(too wordy) & that Collins ballad!
    Gabriel also didn't want the second half of "Cinema Show" included, so I don't know how important that really is. I've always found "After The Ordeal" a nice instrumental piece.


    Quote Originally Posted by dpt3 View Post
    I wouldn't delete anything off Trick of the Tail, but I'd add in It's Yourself to make it perfect!
    Now THIS I can get behind. In fact, I've done that! I used editing software to blend it into "Los Endos" for one long piece and it's killer.
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    Ambrosia - s/t if it weren't for Lover Arrive (actually, it is a masterpiece in spite of that song)
    King Crimson - Red minus Providence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    A song from Fireball is the weak link on Machine Head?
    Even I'm offended - by that impossibility!

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    A few for me:

    Kansas- Song for America This one is ruined by "lonely street" which is a straight ahead rocker and doesn't fit the rest of the album imo. Come to think of it I'm not too keen on "down the road" either but I don't dislike it as much as "lonely street."

    " " - Leftoverture- " What's on my mind" is the one song on this still excellent record I could do without. It does nothing to help elevate the recording.

    Genesis- Foxtrot (If it wasn't for "get em out by Friday" this would probably be a perfect or near perfect album).

    Rush- Moving Pictures It would be perfect if it wasn't for "vital signs" which is the last track on the album. Not a horrible song but it pales compared to the rest of the album and helps to bring it down a notch unfortunately.

    The Beatles -Sgt Pepper's Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite. Not sure why but I never really cared much for this one. I think everything else is very good to great though.

    Led Zeppelin- 3 I haven't heard it in a long time but I always remember intensely disliking "hats of to Harper" but liking the rest of the album.

    Also, King Crimson always seem to be one song away from a masterpiece. Some examples being most of Moonchild, most of The Devils triangle, Providence, Starless and bible black etc.

    That's all I can think of for now.
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    [Yes - Close to the Edge
    I've never liked Siberian Khatru and think it keeps CTTE from perfection...I will admit I like the live Yessongs version much better though... ]


    That's pretty close to how I feel. I thought it might be considered sacrilege to say so on this site though.

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    BFTBOMr.K - over any of the other "songs" on Sergeant Pepper?

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