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    Enjoyed the last episode (and thought the season as a whole was great). Sucks having to wait so long for the acutal dance, but this season set everything up very nicely I thought.
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    Imagine how confusing it will be for people when the next episode airs in 2024 and they have to remember all those similar Targaryen names again!
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    That Aemond is one creepy, scary looking cat.

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    Rhaenyra is indeed sufficiently traumatized to go into full blown psychotic revenge mode, Yahoo! But indeed, it will be a long wait.

    As far as Rings of Power, I can wait. In fact, for the sake of Tolkien's legacy and the obscene waste of money (like a million $ a minute, something like 700 million for the first season!) - I hope they cancel the mess.

    As Erik Kain at Forbes puts it "What we have now with The Rings of Power barely even resembles Middle-earth. It’s just a generic Hollywood fantasy created by people who badly misunderstands its source material and don’t seem to give a damn." https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...h=2b458f8f2baf

    No biggie to me, just a little disappointed, but I know folks who are Tolken experts and aficionados that are royally pissed off :-) Oh well, it's far from the first time that big money productions have crapped all over literature, so I hope they get over it. Still, it is a shame that even Tolkien gets so adulterated and dumbed down these days. For those interested in the details and why Tolkien fanatics are upset, Kain does a pretty good job detailing that in his series of reviews.

    If you enjoy ROP, like my wife, you're welcome to it and I'm glad someone is getting pleasure out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum Cat View Post
    No biggie to me, just a little disappointed, but I know folks who are Tolkien experts and aficionados that are royally pissed off :-) Oh well, it's far from the first time that big money productions have crapped all over literature, so I hope they get over it.
    That's how I felt about Foundation. I quit watching after 3 episodes. But I enjoyed ROP well enough.

    Still, it is a shame that even Tolkien gets so adulterated and dumbed down these days.
    You do know that Simon Tolkien, JRR's grandson, is a consultant and/or an exec producer on it, don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post

    You do know that Simon Tolkien, JRR's grandson, is a consultant and/or an exec producer on it, don't you?
    I knew the Tolkien estate was involved, which changes nothing other than exasperating the bitterness of Tolkien nerds. There are people that love it and people that hate it. Christopher Tolkien hated the Peter Jackson films which I loved, so maybe it's a good thing he didn't live to see RoP - he is doubtless spinning in his grave. I don't know anything about Simon, but the whole thing smells like a cash grab. Definitely NOT a labor of love.

    I can tell you that there are an awful lot of 1-star reviews on IMBD and a 39% average audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, so I'm not the only one who thinks it dogshit, visually stunning dogshit, but dogshit nevertheless. You'd think 700 million $ would be a sufficient budget to hire a top-drawer writing staff as well. Some of the dialogue and scenes were hackneyed beyond belief. I didn't have any expectations, but I understand the outrage. YMMV for sure.

    OK sorry for beating a dead horse (and being off topic at that). I'll darken your door no more.

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    I'm not sure about the audinence ratings, loads of shows are being bombed by trolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    I'm not sure about the audinence ratings, loads of shows are being bombed by trolls.
    Yep. They're meaningless now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    Yep. They're meaningless now.
    Absolutely. I can't tell you how many times I've checked reviews and seen dozens of 1 star ratings in a row. Ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Absolutely. I can't tell you how many times I've checked reviews and seen dozens of 1 star ratings in a row. Ridiculous.
    Well, then there are certainly a lot of trolls out there writing bad reviews. Time to burn I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post

    You do know that Simon Tolkien, JRR's grandson, is a consultant and/or an exec producer on it, don't you?
    See? Totally adulterated. Should've been an actual son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum Cat View Post
    Well, then there are certainly a lot of trolls out there writing bad reviews. Time to burn I guess...
    That's bad, in and of itself, but it's the motivation that makes it evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum Cat View Post
    I can tell you that there are an awful lot of 1-star reviews on IMBD and a 39% average audience score on Rotten Tomatoes...
    You have to look at the whole picture. The critic score on RT is 85%. So that 39% audience score is out of whack.

    As for IMDb, the overall score is 6.9/10. So 18.3% gave it 1 star. BFD. 52.3% gave it an 8 or above.

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    I'm not sure about the audinence ratings, loads of shows are being bombed by trolls.
    Trolls or racists and misogynists?

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    See? Totally adulterated. Should've been an actual son.
    They're all dead.

    To be fair, Simon had a falling out with his father, Christopher, who was the guardian of all things Tolkien after his father's passing. They eventually reconciled but one does have to wonder about Simon's purist sensibilities.

    OTOH, don't most people at PE dislike Wynton Marsalis because of his purist sensibility?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post

    OTOH, don't most people at PE dislike Wynton Marsalis because of his purist sensibility?
    I don't know what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    I don't know what you mean.
    I don't know what you mean.
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    House of the Dragon oh-oh.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal... View Post
    You have to look at the whole picture. The critic score on RT is 85%. So that 39% audience score is out of whack.

    As for IMDb, the overall score is 6.9/10. So 18.3% gave it 1 star. BFD. 52.3% gave it an 8 or above.


    Trolls or racists and misogynists?


    They're all dead.

    To be fair, Simon had a falling out with his father, Christopher, who was the guardian of all things Tolkien after his father's passing. They eventually reconciled but one does have to wonder about Simon's purist sensibilities.

    OTOH, don't most people at PE dislike Wynton Marsalis because of his purist sensibility?
    I THINK I understand what you are saying.....

    One would expect PE people to be "more flexible" given the idea that Prog and related genres are sorts of "fusions" of various influences? And Wynton, the "Jazz Purist," is disliked here because of our feeling that he is opposed to flexibility? And that, by extension, we should also be "more flexible" regarding how "canonical literature" like Tolkien is handled by those who have come after and are working with "those materials?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by wideopenears View Post
    I THINK I understand what you are saying.....
    I'm going to reply to this over in the Rings of Power thread, to keep things here on topic.
    Last edited by Hal...; 10-27-2022 at 01:08 PM.
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    I responded over there, as well.
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    Must admit I was struggling the first half of this series, but glad I stuck with it because those last couple episodes were killer. Just sucks to have to wait so long now.
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    I finally got to see the finale tonight. Enjoyed the hell out of the whole season. It is going to be a long wait until the next one. My wife liked it so much she read the book and I originally had to drag her into Game Of Thrones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo Chang Ba View Post
    Enjoyed the last episode (and thought the season as a whole was great). Sucks having to wait so long for the acutal dance, but this season set everything up very nicely I thought.
    HotD is excellent as expected. But I watched it out of the box instead of GoT which I binged (twice) before the last season. Wasn't interested but really hurt my back and couldn't get out of bed for a week and the seasons were being shown 1 per day. I recorded them and read up on them. This waiting about 2 years is garbage, but we will all do it!

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    HBO announced that season two will begin in June, but no exact date specified. Oil up your dragon saddles.
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    Please don't ask questions, just use google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    Oil up your dragon saddles.
    I'd rather oil up Emilia Clarke.
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