I wouldn't now listen to their post-Hold Your Fire output (and even that album is borderline, really). I started to find it all a bit of a sludge compared to their older stuff. The production sometimes didn't help.
For the record I listen to 80s/90s Genesis a lot and some later Yes too. So it's not a 'prog snob' thing at all.
I don't think I ever did own Test For Echo. Maybe I should give Clockwork Angels a go.
As an avid fan for 35+ years, I can honestly say I love their entire career, and there's maybe five tracks in their catalogue I don't care much for. But my favourite run of albums will always be from Signals through Presto. A lot of those songs hit me on a deeper level than the more overt heavy prog they made in the 70s (again, as much as I love that too).
I have nothing but the fondest possible memories of listening to (and wearing out) the cassettes of Hold Your Fire and A Show Of Hands in my Sony Walkman. By the time Presto was released, I had my first CD player. That was also my first time seeing them live. Maple Leaf Gardens in May '90, with Voivod opening. So while I can understand some people's lesser view of that album, I can only ever consider it a beloved part of my life.
Counterparts is an album that I liked well enough at the time, but it grew on me even more in later years, while other albums maybe took more of a back seat. I completely agree with the love expressed earlier for Available Light, too.
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I had that same feeling for a long time. I bought 2112 when I was seventeen, heard the vocals and took it back to the store the next day. Bought Permanent Waves & Moving Pictures a few years later and really liked them but it wasn't until years later that I started going backward & forward from there.
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It's cool to read all these different opinions on the different eras. Some people like everything they did. Some only like a certain era. And some like a hodge-podge of songs from different eras. They were a band that was always evolving and never completely became a "heritage act". As a result, they spanned generations and genres over 4 decades.
I get the aversion to the earlier vocals. When I became a fan 43 years ago, that was the #1 complaint people had about them. But I think the early stuff contained his most passionate singing. Wild vibrato and all, especially live!
The response I've heard the most from people over the years (beginning in high school) is "I respect Rush", which 100% of the time means "I don't like or listen to them and never will".
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Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows sound awesome to this guy. I don't care if Broon wasn't there. His absence doesn't automatically translate to subpar production/mix.
I wish there was someone to fill the void, an act with an insane amount of muscle playing complex loud rock. DT spawned a lot of wannabes but other than Tiles, I can't think of anyone doing Rush-type rock.
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The recent Glass Hammer has a fair whiff of Rush to it. The mini-album by 80s American band Red Shift was very influenced by Rush, as I recall.
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Regarding Rush - I have recently had a realization - and I know people might disagree - but here it goes. First of all, one declaration: I loved 80s Rush. In fact it was with Presto that I started to drift a bit - I love those 90s records... is just love them much much less than the 80s one.
Another statement is that it boggles the mind whenever someone calls 80s Rush "New Wave" or even "Pop" - sure the guys liked those artists, and it shows a little bit. BUT it is a stretch from detecting influences to saying they moved to the style. A bit of reggae doesn't turn Rush (or any band) into The Police!
One more - it was very Electronic! - The thing is, Geddy never actually played "keyboards" - meaning is the Geddy plays Synthesizers ( he later added Samplers and other Electronics). Geddy never played Piano, Organ, Mellotron in Rush. Sure Synths are keyboard instruments, but pls, catch my meaning, no nitpicking ! - That Electronic hi-tech sheen (you have to add Neil's electronic percussion) definitely put people in the mindspace of calling it New Wave (or Pop) too.
With all of that in mind, I will say that in the 80s, actually succeeded in modernizing Progressive Rock. By making the songs more concise - BUT NOT MORE SIMPLE - and adding the latest gear and production, in their own way they stumbled into a model for what modern Prog should have been in the 80s. A true new progressive rock for its age. A true neo-prog, if you will !
Of course, people will disagree, but I do think is a good way to look a that body of work. Signals to Hold Your Fire, is a period that I return constantly. Personally, while I love basic rock'n'roll, in reality, I prefer it when bands get further from that and Rush is no exception for me - sure not REALLY basic rock'n'roll, but definitely you can detect the move and that affects me anyway...
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of the 80's stuff (Moving Pictures - Presto), MP was the best (with HYF a close second) and Presto the worst imo. i remember how disappointed i was in Presto when i heard it for the first time. too thin and weak sounding. always liked HYF so not sure why it gets knocked so much. their sound was at least consistent from Signals to HYF and i for the most part liked all of them.
so i say their downfall started with Presto and didn't get any better with RTB which i hated.
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