New Peter Banks documentary

[Dan Roth]

First preview of this forthcoming doc.



More info: claimingpeterbanks.com

[mozo-pg]

Looks very interesting.

[Paulrus]

Nice. Hopefully it's not all just platitudes. Peter had his demons as well.

[Steve983]

Nice. Hopefully it's not all just platitudes. Peter had his demons as well.

True, but its sad that he never got the success or recognition he deserved.

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[sphinx]

This could have become a chicken or the egg dilemma for him, unfortunately.
See maybe also: Davy O'List

[Trane]

Maybe I'm reading the title the wrong way, but is there already a PB documentary??

Nice. Hopefully it's not all just platitudes. Peter had his demons as well.

yup ... apparently his firing from Yes seemed to pursue him all of his career and he became a bitter man.

I can understand it too (his bitterness), but I'm wondering if there is not a ploy or plit of some kind from buddies to make him as a great casulalty of rock (though getting fired by Squire and Lane can be quite traumatizing, I suppose)

This could have become a chicken or the egg dilemma for him, unfortunately.
See maybe also: Davy O'List

I was thinking exactly the same thing about DOL when viewing the preview - he never survived all that well his sacking from The Nice, and drove him mad - though reports are that the madness (and drugs) was already there before he was in the band. Though, I would likely consider more DOL as a rock casualty (like Syd was), than I would for Banks

[the winter tree]

It can be very difficult and damaging to be kicked out of a band on many levels. I'm sure he felt a deep sense of betrayal, especially the way that the firing was conducted. Being an ambitious young man in his early 20s, it must have hit him very hard. And the fact that they were all living together at the time must have made it even more difficult. Then YES became hugely successful.

[calyx]

It can be very difficult and damaging to be kicked out of a band on many levels. I'm sure he felt a deep sense of betrayal, especially the way that the firing was conducted. Being an ambitious young man in his early 20s, it must have hit him very hard. And the fact that they were all living together at the time must have made it even more difficult.

I don't think they were all still living together at that point. Tony Kaye never lived with the rest of them anyway. In his autobiography, Bill Bruford alludes to him and PB still sharing the same flat at the time of his ousting, and his resulting discomfort, but I don't think Anderson or Squire still lived in the same flat.

An amusing side note was that they did share the same vehicle returning from the gig in Luton where Jon and Chris broke the news to Peter (Bill had been told that same morning, Tony hadn't been told), which made the atmosphere in the car icy, to say the least.

[the winter tree]

There have been many famous sackings in rock history:
Pete Willis from Def Lepard
Dave Mustaine - Mettalica
Brian Jones
Steven Adler
Mick Pointer
Dee Murray and Nigel Olsson from Elton John's band (though they rejoined a few times later on)
Pete Best
Ozzy
Albert Bouchard

And i 'm sure many others. It probably creates an extra sting when the band becomes hugely successful after the firing.

[Trane]

I don't think they were all still living together at that point. Tony Kaye never lived with the rest of them anyway. In his autobiography, Bill Bruford alludes to him and PB still sharing the same flat at the time of his ousting, and his resulting discomfort, but I don't think Anderson or Squire still lived in the same flat.

An amusing side note was that they did share the same vehicle returning from the gig in Luton where Jon and Chris broke the news to Peter (Bill had been told that same morning, Tony hadn't been told), which made the atmosphere in the car icy, to say the least.

Do you think that not telling Kaye (unlike for Bruford), the seeds for his sacking was already on their (Jon & Chris) minds.
Can't help but wonder of Banks hadn't been so upset and made an issue (maybe even a stink) of getting sacked, he might have been invited back on the band (I mean nearly everyone else involved has, at least once)




I remember reading a Bruford story saying how Jon could turn a whole house into a pigsty within a week. Stuff like a pizza leftovers roting for weeks under a bed
And un the same chapter how Squire would empty on more than one occasion the group's cash box without notice to anyone to buy new stage clothes.

[Progatron]

There have been many famous sackings in rock history:

Glenn Cornick from Tull was one where he couldn't hide his bitterness in some rather honest interviews.

The story Peter Banks tells about Steve Howe refusing to allow him on stage at a stop on the Union tour was pretty eye-opening.

[calyx]

Glenn Cornick from Tull was one where he couldn't hide his bitterness in some rather honest interviews.

The story Peter Banks tells about Steve Howe refusing to allow him on stage at a stop on the Union tour was pretty eye-opening.

Note that the unfolding of events was Peter Banks' version based on hearsay - certainly I've never read or heard him say anyone INSIDE the band had confirmed it was Howe's doing - and that Howe has denied it. Seems to me Howe is pretty honest in his accounts of disagreeing or not getting on with other musicians (specifically guitarists), so I wouldn't expect him to lie about it.

It's a little sad that Banks didn't take part in "Union" at all, but then, it wasn't so much a "union" or "reunion" of all former members than bringing together all the parties in a current dispute (YesWest v/s ABWH). Moraz, Downes and Horn weren't invited either.

[Progatron]

Note that the unfolding of events was Peter Banks' version based on hearsay - certainly I've never read or heard him say anyone INSIDE the band had confirmed it was Howe's doing

He does say in that Classic Artists DVD that Tony Kaye told him that Howe didn't want him on, and that was when he went ballistic, saying he was ready to punch Howe if he saw him.

[SunRunner2]

There have been many famous sackings in rock history:
Pete Willis from Def Lepard
Dave Mustaine - Mettalica
Brian Jones
Steven Adler
Mick Pointer
Dee Murray and Nigel Olsson from Elton John's band (though they rejoined a few times later on)
Pete Best
Ozzy
Albert Bouchard

And i 'm sure many others. It probably creates an extra sting when the band becomes hugely successful after the firing.

Pete Sinfield by Robert Fripp.

Following a tour of the United States, December 1971, Fripp asked Sinfield to leave the band, citing musical differences. The remaining band broke up acrimoniously in rehearsals shortly afterward, owing to Fripp's refusal to incorporate other members' compositions into the band's repertoire. He later cited this as "quality control", with the idea that King Crimson would perform the "right kind" of music.

[Mister Triscuits]

Glenn Cornick from Tull was one where he couldn't hide his bitterness in some rather honest interviews.

The same for John Evan after the debacle in 1980. Dee Palmer seems to have taken it with more equanimity but was still hurt, while Barrie Barlow had already decided to leave anyway, but was humiliated by the press making it look like he had been sacked.

[calyx]

The same for John Evan after the debacle in 1980. Dee Palmer seems to have taken it with more equanimity but was still hurt, while Barrie Barlow had already decided to leave anyway, but was humiliated by the press making it look like he had been sacked.

These were very different situations. Cornick was the current bass player when he was sacked. The forced departure of Evan and Palmer happened as a result of Anderson being pressured by Chrysalis to release "A" as a Jethro Tull album rather than a solo album. Now what would have happened had it been released as a solo album is anyone's guess. Would there have been a tour (with Jobson and Craney), but under his own name ? Would JT then have regrouped with Evan and Palmer still in the band ? Things may also have been different had Barre and Pegg not played on "A" - it wasn't such a leap to present Anderson/Barre/Pegg + Jobson/Craney as JT, whereas a JT with only Anderson from the previous line-up would have been a difficult sell.

[calyx]

He does say in that Classic Artists DVD that Tony Kaye told him that Howe didn't want him on, and that was when he went ballistic, saying he was ready to punch Howe if he saw him.

I stand corrected, then.

But if Howe really did prevent this from happening, why ? Out of hatred/contempt for Banks ? Maybe. But more likely, other factors must have played a role. The unprepared nature of such a guest spot - what would Banks have played on, considering nothing from the two albums he'd played on was in the setlist ? They would have needed to rehearse something. With just the original line-up ? Maybe Kaye was up for it, but what about Squire and Bruford ? Was it just Howe who vetoed an idea that everyone else was enthusiastic about ? Perhaps it was the right decision to take, not to let it happen.

Of course, Howe was also having a hard enough time sharing the guitar spot with Rabin on some songs he'd rather been the only guitarist on, like "Yours Is No Disgrace" or "Awaken".

[Progatron]

These were very different situations. Cornick was the current bass player when he was sacked. The forced departure of Evan and Palmer happened as a result of Anderson being pressured by Chrysalis to release "A" as a Jethro Tull album rather than a solo album.

Having just read the book that comes with the new "A" boxed set, the biggest instigator of the problems surrounding that split was Melody Maker's Ray Coleman, with his misleading article claiming Anderson had just fired everyone, with the helpful prodding of Terry Ellis (similar to the B.S. news story he ran about the band quitting after A Passion Play). Even Barlow stood up for Anderson at the time, giving an interview to Sounds where he let it be known that things were not quite as they seemed. Interesting stuff!

I stand corrected, then.

But if Howe really did prevent this from happening, why ? Out of hatred/contempt for Banks ? Maybe. But more likely, other factors must have played a role. The unprepared nature of such a guest spot - what would Banks have played on, considering nothing from the two albums he'd played on was in the setlist ? They would have needed to rehearse something. With just the original line-up ? Maybe Kaye was up for it, but what about Squire and Bruford ? Was it just Howe who vetoed an idea that everyone else was enthusiastic about ? Perhaps it was the right decision to take, not to let it happen.

Of course, Howe was also having a hard enough time sharing the guitar spot with Rabin on some songs he'd rather been the only guitarist on, like "Yours Is No Disgrace" or "Awaken".

According to Banks, he was going to play on Roundabout and another song that he couldn't recall at the time of the interview. He seemed to think it was just going to be loose and fun (I guess he should have known better). And I'd have to watch it again, but I recall something about it 'only' being Howe who had the problem. And perhaps you're right about Howe already being perturbed about sharing the stage with Rabin, who he says played during sections Howe felt should have either one, or even no guitar.

I know Howe has claimed it's not true, and he's spoken positively of Banks and those first two Yes albums numerous times, so I don't know what to believe, really.

[JJ88]

ISTR Banks laid into Yes and particularly Howe within his sleevenotes for that Something's Coming BBC sessions CD.

[Progatron]

ISTR Banks laid into Yes and particularly Howe within his sleevenotes for that Something's Coming BBC sessions CD.

"My successor, Steve Howe, may delude himself with the myth that Yes started and ended with his involvement (I know that he does not shake hands with people and in his case, I would certainly endorse his policy)."

[JJ88]

^Yeah. Ouch.

I really like the first two Yes albums, I think they are underrated. But beyond 'Small Beginnings', Flash's debut is only OK, for me.

[UnephenStephen]

a couple videos that may shed some light..

[the winter tree]

I think Banks' first solo album , "Two Sides", is one of the best solo albums from a Yes member.

[Trane]

This guy sounds (almost on his own admission) like a perenial loser, really

[sphinx]

Moraz, Downes and Horn weren't invited either.

I can't find my 1991 Keyboard magazine interview with Patrick Moraz at the moment, but I seem to remember he mentioned that he might join in on some Union dates that would take place close to his home (Florida?) at the time. But then, the main part of the interview focused on his huge project for Switzerland's 700th year anniversary, the Septocentennial so to speak, of which nothing came either apparently.
In fact, his sacking from Yes and Moody Blues is another example of an unceremonial demise from an ensemble.