Little Miss
Little Miss
Little Miss Dismissive
Can't be wrong!
Whoa-ohh!
And that's your annual Spin Doctors reminder.
Little Miss
Little Miss
Little Miss Dismissive
Can't be wrong!
Whoa-ohh!
And that's your annual Spin Doctors reminder.
Your experience is similar to mine actually. In 2004 my parents bought me a 20GB iPod as a belated (by a couple years) graduation present. It completely changed the way I listened to music. Before if I wanted portable music I had to either take my little battery powered CD player. Having almost all of my music available on a single device was incredible, and I took that thing everywhere with me -- to work, to friends' houses, on trips, etc.
It was before aux inputs were very common in cars (and Bluetooth was still in its early stages), so if I was driving anywhere I still played CDs in the car. But my time spent listening to music increased drastically when I could carry my entire music collection in my pocket. Like you said, life changing.
I do still play CDs in the car though, after getting a nice aftermarket disc player for my car a few years ago. My CD collection has grown to such an extent that I'm actually running out of room to store them in my current living space; that's not even counting my vinyl collection... And yet I keep buying them.
Yeah, I know what you mean about it being a liberating thing. Sometimes I'll be someplace and think of an album or song I own but haven't heard in years. Having the ability to listen to it right then and there (before I forget) is invaluable. I also use streaming (Spotify and Apple Music) to sample stuff, explore bands/genres, make playlists, etc. I can't imagine going back either.
There's also instances where an album is either out of print or unavailable (or only going for insane prices on the second hand market). When that happens, I'm fine with paying for a download. I'd rather be able to hear that music without a physical copy than to never hear it at all. My storage capacity at home is also a factor, since I've already got so many CDs taking up space. Bandcamp offering various audio formats is also a big thing.
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I don't think any possible 'CD revival' sometime in the future will likely ever reach the level of the vinyl revival. Reason being, a CD sounds (almost?) identical to a 44.1 file of the same recording.
One of the reasons vinyl has made a resurgence, is due to it sounding different than any digital format, for better or worse (I believe vinyl betters 44.1 in its ability to reproduce soundstage and imaging). So there is that.
All that being said, I own many CD's, and continue to buy them, because I am buying a lot of avant-garde and contemporary classical, and they are dirt cheap.
I also would rather buy a CD of a new release, than a download.
Where I do buy downloads, is also mostly classical, and those are all 24/192 PCM, or better yet, when I can get quad-rate DSD. Nothing sounds like it.
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Vinyl is also more substantial for those who want a real, rather than imaginary product...which ALL digital formats arguably are. A record has actual sound waves carved into the grooves. One would be hard pressed (pun intended) to make an exact copy of those grooves on anything other than another record.
Digital is the easiest thing in the world to counterfeit. Back in the days of the computer swap meet, I could walk up to any vendor's table, and pick up any software title. I could know for certain I was holding a counterfeit product, however real it appeared. That was true when software was distributed on floppies, and remained true when it migrated to CD-ROMs. Many audio CDs have been counterfeited. There have been threads on this very forum complaining about Amazon vendors selling counterfeit CDs.
A vinyl record, on the other hand, CANNOT be faked. The cost of doing so would be so enormous, only a moron would even try. It would be more profitable to strike counterfeit pennies.
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I understand the philosophy I think, but then, what would be the reason to copy such a flawed product in the first place? It's just a medium adding its own artefacts in a chain electronic and mechanical machines, bringing the sound from the microphone to the speakers... If I over-interpret the philosophy, would a cassette tape recorded AM transmission from a station playing an AAA vinyl be more genuine than a digital master from the studio, transferred in (maybe in zillions of copies) to other digital media bit by bit?
The sooner in the chain the music is "imaginized" the closer the output will resemble the input! If 44.1/16 or more detailed encoding is required is another discussion though...
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What I meant was that it seems dismissive of the music, and the artists who don't (or can't) release it on CD.
You're right, I did misunderstand your tone when you said "good for you". My apologies for that. Sometimes it's easy to misinterpret the intent behind words when it's just text on the Internet.
What doesn't make sense to me is the music itself not bringing enough joy to offset the lack of physical media. Especially for things that are out of print or no longer available for affordable prices. In a scenario like that, I can't understand choosing to forego a chance to own and listen to a digital copy of that album if one enjoys the music. I'm not saying it's wrong -- I just don't understand it. But like you said, I don't live in your head. For example, my cousin makes fun of me for still buying music on CD when there are things like Spotify now. But he also mostly listens to music in the car on satellite radio, so... he and I are on very different wavelengths when it comes to listening and to the space music occupies in our lives.
Precisely. And that is exactly why I don't buy downloads. They just don't fit how I listen to music. I tried burning them to CDR, and I just wound up with an amorphous stack of CDRs I never played. I tried putting them on a thumb drive, and I never (or only very rarely) put it in my player. Plus, songs that should segue together don't on the thumb drive, and that sucks.
I don't want to put a lot of time and trouble into making packaging for CDRs, I don't want to sit and rip my CDs (ugh, kill me now), and I don't want to buy a bunch of equipment to be able to play files (which I probably wouldn't play anyway). So, sorry for the artists who won't get my money. But why should I pay for something that has no value to me? It's not a dis at them, it's just simply not how I consume music. That may be hard to understand because you love music and are more open to changing technologies. I'm not. I'm old and I've had it. I'm not going through another conversion. Period. I have plenty of music. I am buying everything I can get my grubby little paws on right now because I suspect the CD won't be around forever. And I'm OK with that. I'll be fine. Everyone will be fine.
I myself was extremely slow to adopt the CD. I was still pissed at the obsolescence of the 8-Track tape, then the vinyl record. I was just waiting for a third shoe to drop, and CDs to be phased out. I finally bought my first CD in the late 90s, when I installed a CD-ROM drive in my computer. I could then play them without plunking down a load of cash on a still expensive CD player.
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Isn't one of the adventages of CD that you can put a nice Magma CD-box on display?
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Beatles records are of such high value, the economy of counterfeiting is flipped on its head. Going back to my pennies analogy, when it costs the US Mint 2.5 cents to make a penny, it would be absurd to counterfeit one. When a penny is super rare, worth thousands, tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, then it becomes more than worthwhile to fake.
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"Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"--Dalai Lama
I agree about it being LIBERATING. I stopped purchasing physical media years ago, and went exclusively to downloads. Right now I have 510 complete albums on my phone (with room for about 1300 more) - all at 320kbps. I get in the car, push the BT button, and I'm jamming. At home, I push the BT button on the sound system, and I'm jamming. Three-hundred miles at sea on a cruise ship, or 30,000 feet in the air, I pop in the headphones and I'm jamming. Anywhere, anytime, my music library is at my fingertips. That, truly, is liberating, and I will never go back to the ball-and-chain that is physical media. (I don't stream because that requires connectivity, which isn't always available, and recurring monthly expenses, which I don't want to pay for).
Many of those are reasons I stick with CDs. Lack of surface noise and the seamlessness of tracks (and ease of accessing them seamlessly) are two big ones. Plus, I like physical media.
I do sense a greater drop in CDs being produced now then a few yeas ago, but as I've said, I'm going down with the CD ship. I have a lifetime of music in my collection already, so I'm not really concerned. Plus, I can make my own music.
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Was just looking at a couple of new releases on Bandcamp that are in various vinyl and cassette formats, but no CD.
There are now artists on Bandcamp releasing cassettes with obi strips. Was that ever even a thing?
Cassette releases are so 2019!
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