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    Can - Halleluwah

    What an infectious drum groove. I could listen to this on a loop for hours. Fans??? Better examples of drum grooves - Can or otherwise?

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    It feels like it does go on for hours though!

    Honestly, this is the one thing from Tago Mago that I don't really like. If it was half the time, or had several more changes I could dig it, but as is, it's not for me.

    It is a hell of a groove though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo Chang Ba View Post
    It feels like it does go on for hours though!

    Honestly, this is the one thing from Tago Mago that I don't really like. If it was half the time, or had several more changes I could dig it, but as is, it's not for me.
    Maybe you should try the single version, which runs a lean 3:30.
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    One of my fave tunes by any band, period. That groove could have continued over all four sides and I’d have been fine with it

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    Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.

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    The whole late 80's 'Madchester' music scene was essentially based on that single Can track.

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    Another great Can groove is Smoke (EFS No 59) from Flow Motion. For a non-Can track, Santana's Jingo comes close

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    Quote Originally Posted by rael74 View Post
    The whole late 80's 'Madchester' music scene was essentially based on that single Can track.

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    Irmin Schmidt's musical pretensions are so totally put into perspective by Bez.

    At first glance, the loping, loose, groove of Halleluwah seems to be more or less the polar opposite of the tight, focused, motorik beat. Liebezeit's genius was having been able to play each as if it were his natural rhythm, & to make both into essential Can grooves.

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    It's OK, but I wish they had done it on a laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
    ^What he said.
    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.

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    If you love Halleluwah you should also check Mother Sky from their Soundtracks album:



    Or this incredible live TV version of the same song (look at the scared faces in the young crowd !):



    1970! these guys were (at least) 10 years ahead of any other "rock" bands.

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    For me, it is the highlight of Tago Mago. Listening to the way the groove transforms of the span of the song turns my brain inside-out. You can't do that in three minutes.

    I have gotten the feeling that a lot of Nu Wave bands simply listened to CAN, picked out a few measures of groove, and built a dance track around it.
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    Seriously, though. They say Can were futuristic. But, if they were truly futuristic, they would have either recorded in the future, or used recording gear from the future. Otherwise, it's just the same tired old 70's crap.

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    Great Can tune, The groove is really just based on the famous "funky drummer" beat. With a few extra accented 16th notes. But they make a very original tune out of it with a killer vocal riff on top.


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    This is all wrong.

    They should have had a part in the middle where they slowed down to place a good ol' rock'n'roll-version of Rachmaninov's Piano Concert no. 2 with Solina string ensembles and kazoos. It would prove that they were cultivated, advanced and into high art (plus the craft of reading and writing notes, like the British sympho bands all had to do in order to make such complex music).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    Maybe you should try the single version, which runs a lean 3:30.
    I first heard the song in the edit from the Cannibalism compilation which is around 5:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick L. View Post
    Seriously, though. They say Can were futuristic. But, if they were truly futuristic, they would have either recorded in the future, or used recording gear from the future. Otherwise, it's just the same tired old 70's crap.
    They did, and named it "Future Days". And they also used the most trendy recording gear and instruments from the future (now): analog tape recorders , primitive Farfisa organs and tube amps.
    Go figure...
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    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.

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    If you listen carefully to the drumming in this (seemingly) simple short song you'll start to understand why Jaki Liebezeit should be considered amongst the greatest and most innovative drummers ever. This is just fantastic !

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    I love it beyond comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Krautman View Post
    If you listen carefully to the drumming in this (seemingly) simple short song you'll start to understand why Jaki Liebezeit should be considered amongst the greatest and most innovative drummers ever. This is just fantastic !
    The kick drum alone is pure genius.
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    ^ It's sympho.

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    ^ I used to see Beethoven in disco clubs in Vienna in the 70's - his nose was as white as Tony Montana's and he used to sign "Fuck off or buy me a drink" to everybody.
    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    ^ It's sympho.
    Same Disco feel but the strings section arrangements are much better in CAN because both Irmin Schmidt and Holger Czukay were classically trained musicians.


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    Man... guess I need to start listening to Can.
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