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    How to become a famous jazz musician

    http://jazzistheworst.blogspot.com/2...ician.html?m=1

    I think much of this could apply to becoming a famous prog musician as well.
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    I'll just quote the first post: "This is shit... Cliche after cliché"
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    If you're tryign to become a famous jazz musician now, I would think a certain blue police call box that's bigger on the inside would have to come into play.

    (Seriously, are there any young famous jazz musicians?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    (Seriously, are there any young famous jazz musicians?)
    Esperanza Spalding?

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    Do lots of drugs.

    That sounds like a joke but it seems that many of the famous jazz musicians ruined their careers because of drugs. I once talked to a guy who was a well known jazz vocalist in the 30's, 40's and 50's. He said that drugs ruined his career. He talked about Ella and how he tried to "score"(drugs)with Miles Davis. http://www.jazzwax.com/2009/10/inter...yn-part-1.html
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    Sorry, but as someone who spends a lot of time in the jazz world, that's the biggest load of horse puckies I've read in a long time, and typifies the worst kind of writing: pooh, look how clever I am!

    Sorry, this kind of thing just gets under my skin. There are great musicians trying to make great music every day, and this kone of article simply demeans them and their work.

    And no, it doesn't apply to Prog either. Both are marginalized genres, so if you make the choice to live in them, you must be cognizant of that. There are jazz musicians I know who are multimillionaires, jazz musicians who are middle income earners like yours truly, and jazz musicians who are barely scraping by. What does that prove? Being a jazz musician is lik being in any other profession....and how much you earn is not necessarily a reflection on talent ... But it can be.

    But articles like this do nothing but denigrate and I see no value in that.

    Rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    If you're tryign to become a famous jazz musician now, I would think a certain blue police call box that's bigger on the inside would have to come into play.

    (Seriously, are there any young famous jazz musicians?)
    Well, depends on your definition of famous. On the jazz world? Sure. Brad Mehldau, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Brian Blade and Joshua Redman were all big names before they were 30. Ditto the Marsalis brothers.

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    Get a time machine... 1940s-1950s or so.

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    The author of this is a total ignorant dickbag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlakaton View Post
    Get a time machine
    I said that already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkelman View Post
    Well, depends on your definition of famous. On the jazz world? Sure. Brad Mehldau, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Brian Blade and Joshua Redman were all big names before they were 30. Ditto the Marsalis brothers.
    But how many years ago are you talking about. I'm talking about now. How many famous jazz musicians are there under the age of 30 right this minute?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkelman View Post
    Sorry, but as someone who spends a lot of time in the jazz world, that's the biggest load of horse puckies I've read in a long time, and typifies the worst kind of writing: pooh, look how clever I am!

    Sorry, this kind of thing just gets under my skin. There are great musicians trying to make great music every day, and this kone of article simply demeans them and their work.

    And no, it doesn't apply to Prog either. Both are marginalized genres, so if you make the choice to live in them, you must be cognizant of that. There are jazz musicians I know who are multimillionaires, jazz musicians who are middle income earners like yours truly, and jazz musicians who are barely scraping by. What does that prove? Being a jazz musician is lik being in any other profession....and how much you earn is not necessarily a reflection on talent ... But it can be.

    But articles like this do nothing but denigrate and I see no value in that.

    Rant over.
    Unfortunately, most of the commenters thought it was great or funny. And they jumped all over the guy who called it out rightly as the piece of shit article that it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    But how many years ago are you talking about. I'm talking about now. How many famous jazz musicians are there under the age of 30 right this minute?!
    How many famous 'prog' musicians are there under the age of 30 right this minute?

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    Do they have sarcasm on the planets that some of you are from?

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    Sarcasm is a poor substitute for humor. And besides, I could tell by some of the comments that some readers took this seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    How many famous 'prog' musicians are there under the age of 30 right this minute?

    Well, yeah, that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkelman View Post
    Sorry, but as someone who spends a lot of time in the jazz world, that's the biggest load of horse puckies I've read in a long time, and typifies the worst kind of writing: pooh, look how clever I am!
    Agreed. It's trying to be clever by satirizing particular characteristics of jazz notoriety, but the writer is so dumb that he couldn't even pull that off competently. He appears to be trying to satirize critical acclaim, not being a "famous" jazz musician, as the article states in the beginning. In fact, the first thing that is suggested is to alienate the audience, which is a sure-fire way NOT to garner a broad appeal and thus become famous.

    There may be some quality jokes to be made with the subject matter, but the writer doesn't make any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    I said that already.
    I guess I needed to go see what a blue telephone box meant... yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Do they have sarcasm on the planets that some of you are from?
    framing it that way misses the point. Sarcasm at least implies the one cares about the subject matter. There is not even a hint of that in this article. What is readily apparent in the article is the worst kind of useless, self-absorbed cynicism that is all too prevalent in today's society.

    It is not only very bad writing, it is also very lazy writing, trotting out the most well-worn clichés possible. It is also flippantly racist and sexist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Singh View Post
    framing it that way misses the point. Sarcasm at least implies the one cares about the subject matter. There is not even a hint of that in this article. What is readily apparent in the article is the worst kind of useless, self-absorbed cynicism that is all too prevalent in today's society.

    It is not only very bad writing, it is also very lazy writing, trotting out the most well-worn clichés possible. It is also flippantly racist and sexist.
    Yep. It read very much like a "I don't get it, so I'm gonna bash it" sort of thing. The writer is probably a person who does have an interest in music of some sort/s; just not jazz, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlakaton View Post
    I guess I needed to go see what a blue telephone box meant... yup.
    Dude, what rock have you been living under for the last 50 years?! The blue police call box is only one of the most significant items in pop culture (even if it took mainstream America 40 years to catch on).

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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Do they have sarcasm on the planets that some of you are from?
    Yes. but we have good sarcasm, not this poor excuse for it.

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