Totally. Great recording, that version of M8 turned out to be one of the best Mahler DG recordings he made. The beginning of Part II is also out of the universe. Boulez is always so CLEAR, so the beautiful lines and textures by Mahler are laid pure and pristine by Boulez. He came a long way since wanting to burn down all of the opera houses, eh?
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So where does Mahler reside in the world of Reid now? Mahler was a serious obsession for me for a while at one point of my life, and he's still up there - definitely top 5, maybe 3. In my heyday, I must have bought over 20 CD versions of Mahler 2, I was a man obsessed.
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I'm a big fan at this point. You probably remember when I was struggling to get into the music and asked you for suggestions. The No. 10 Adagio was the piece that won me over. After that I picked up most of the Bernstein NYP discs.
Now that there are so many cheap box sets, I picked up the Bernstein DG set, Tennstedt EMI box, and I just got the Gielen set. I've been picking up used copies of Boulez for the past few years. I have 6,8,9, and I bought new copies of the lieder CDs.
All great to hear! Once Mahler "gets" you there is no turning back. So many incredible moments. Sometimes I'll throw on something like M4 mvt 3 or the last three movements to M5 just for fun....hearing these movements out of context can be a learning experience. Not bad for a guy who wrote for fun during the offseason from his day gig in the summer, eh?
The Gielen set is really really good too. Bernstein M5 DG popped my cherry many years back....summertime with headphones, I'll never forget that night, literally life changing.
PS, how tragic is it that he died before M10 was fully completed? Imagine if he wrote about 5 more symphonies where he would have gone. The M10 adagio is a precursor to the second Viennese School and Schoenberg acknowledges as such. Have you heard Schoenbergs chamber version of Das Lied von der Erde? It has piano. Its interesting.
I think those same thoughts when listening to the no. 10 Adagio. You can hear the modern harmonic elements in this piece and it seems as he was moving forward into the 20th century. And the melody is so powerful and moving. I haven't heard the Schoenberg version but I'd love to. Any particular recordings I should listen to?
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Mahler wrote every note of S10...the Adagio movement was the only one he orchestrated. The other movements were orchestrated by others after his death. Other works by other composers had to be completed by others, not just orchestrated. One example would be Rimsky-Korsakov, whose students completed some of his works.
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Any preferred recordings of the completely orchestrated 10th? I have the Seattle Symphony/Dausgaard.
I listen to it for fun but I'm a purist I guess. Lenny, Bruno Walter, Boulez, and I think Bernard Haitink only perform the completed adagio. The rest is too difficult to discern if were really hearing Mahler or not. And I think that's ok to have that viewpoint. It's a shame regardless, because that opening movement is so damn amazing. What would M12 sound like, or M16?
Whoops, you said complete. Anyway the Gielen adagio is good. For complete I dig both Chailly and Rattle Berliner.
Everybody listen to the Immolation scene in Gotterdammerung....basically the last 20 minutes and it's an aria song by Brunhilde. One of my fav Wagner moments along with Die Walkure finale (magic fire music).
Which brings the question: There are probably dozens (hundreds?) of recordings of The Ring Cycle out there. Which are the top ones? I've seen some DVDs on Amazon I think from NY Met that I've almost pulled the trigger on.
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http://www.the-wagnerian.com/2014/03...e-winners.html
Impossible to answer, but Reid is correct - Solti's Ring is very highly regarded. My go-to (on stereo) is Levine's Met recording on DG from 87-88, but a criticism is that some of the tempos are on the expansive side, but that's why I like it.
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Mo - This is the recording that got me into the Ring many years ago, it has a few (great) choices from Levine's late 80's Met Ring. Its worth the $2 or so used if you can find it at this point.
http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/...album_id=10566
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I'm hooked on Parsifal lately. I'm listening to Herbert Kegel's 1975 recording re-issued on Brilliant Classics. I also have the Karajan set on DG.
Some other Wagner trivia: he used atonality decades before Schoenberg made it a thing. Namely, The Entry of the Gods into Walhalla.
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There's a great series from the BBC entitled The Story Of Music which chronicles the development of music from ancient times to the present. It's up on YouTube.
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