Rotters Club binge! Greatest album ever. Dave's solo on Mumps is a masterpiece.
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Hatfield and the North at Surrey University in Guildford on the 9th of November 1974.
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
Rotters Club is my favorite Canterbury album by a country mile. The combo of the flutes and Northettes gets me every time.
The five Canter-pairs of some stride, all of them amazingly great:
Matching Mole - Matching Mole vs. Little Red Record. I used to prefer the first, now the second. More playing, less "feeling". Spoofs still there.
Hatfield & the North - H&tN vs. Rotter. I used to prefer Rott, now the debut. Something about the montage-like construction of it.
Henry Cow - Legend vs. Unrest. I used to dig them equally, but Unrest has become one of my fave records overall. It's simply astonishing.
Gilgamesh - 'mesh vs. Another Fine Tune. The second one is more self-assured, but the debut roams with semi-juvenile ambition. Fabulous.
National Health - N.H. vs. Of Queues & Cures. Debut is more perfectionist, Queues however is rawer, more powerful and more FUN.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
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I just watched that Hatfield 1975 Rainbow Theatre London YT video.....Pip is such a major badass - completely blown away! Incredibly unique. He's no drummy......
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
^Works for me - adds a whole different spin on what Canterbury is or was or could be....
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
Way cool and insightful, Richard my man. Thanks for sharing. It's still Rotters all the way for me, but the first Hatfield is pretty darn amazing in spite of that.
Tonight I'm drinking a Belgian dubbel-style ale and listening to Matching Mole's Little Red Record. You're right in that it has more "playing" on it, and while I'm still more fond of the first MM record personally, this one has grown on me quite a bit. Righteous Rhumba is a killer, and Marchides is not far behind. Do you have the Esoteric expanded editions of both MM albums btw?
Regarding Gilgamesh, Another Fine Tune is the one I'm more familiar with and it's good, but the first one (which I just got within the past week or two ) definitely has some callow charm to it, doesn't it?
And I still need to get some more Henry Cow -- Legend is the only one I have.
It is a great album.
I think you hit the nail on the head with regard to its "Englishness" and understated character. It's such a charming collection of songs, and something that could only ever come out of England. One of those rare records that I truly never get tired of.
Cheers.
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In their official output, Yeah. But their earliest work (1969-72) was apparently very informed by Softs anno Volume Two, Wyatt's End of an Ear, by Coxhill and (according to Frith) the more "out" things on Ayers' first couple of albums etc.
Another of those vintage HC recording, "Rapt In a Blanket", also displays Frith's penchant for singer-songwriters then on-the-rise, like Michael Chapman and John Martyn. Frith was a regular attendant in the folk clubs of the day, so that's no surprise. But I suppose such decadently egocentric warble would not become kosher with the ensuing HC Marxist collective.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
My progressive music site: https://pienemmatpurot.com/ Reviews in English: https://pienemmatpurot.com/in-english/
Calyx (Canterbury Scene) - http://www.calyx-canterbury.fr
Legends In Their Own Lunchtime (blog) - https://canterburyscene.wordpress.com/
My latest books : "Yes" (2017) - https://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/yes/ + "L'Ecole de Canterbury" (2016) - http://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/lecoledecanterbury/ + "King Crimson" (2012/updated 2018) - http://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/kingcrimson/
Canterbury & prog interviews - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdf...IUPxUMA/videos
This is unbelievable! Hats off to this person. Blown away.
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
^
Ha-ha! What else would you expect from a dude wearing an Osanna t-shirt for YT?
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
I'd pay good money to see him and his Dave, Rich & Pip equivalents play a whole concert of such precise renditions of that music.
Edit: Just re-posted the video on the Hatfield FB group. Deserves more than 300 or so views in 18 months !
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Calyx (Canterbury Scene) - http://www.calyx-canterbury.fr
Legends In Their Own Lunchtime (blog) - https://canterburyscene.wordpress.com/
My latest books : "Yes" (2017) - https://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/yes/ + "L'Ecole de Canterbury" (2016) - http://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/lecoledecanterbury/ + "King Crimson" (2012/updated 2018) - http://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/kingcrimson/
Canterbury & prog interviews - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdf...IUPxUMA/videos
That was really good and really close. I’m not 100% convinced on some of the chords he came up with, but JEEEEZ, he definitely got a lot of them and he totally nailed the single note lines. WOW.
Seeing this really brings home what ridiculously weird and unique choices Phil made in terms of notes and note placement. He was truly a complete original. It made me miss him more than I already did.
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
PS
It was appropriate that the only thing you could see in the video beside the guy and his guitar were a bunch of CLOCKS!
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
Agree on all points. I wish he would have done the cool line with Sinclair at the very end of the 23/27 section, but still....
I was watching this last night just blown away by how Phil came up with these parts (besides the obvious notated stuff). This really demonstrates the brilliance and creativity of both Dave and Phil. One of my new favorite YT videos
This thread spurred me into putting together a big ol' playlist that I've been listening to for the past three days now. (iTunes tells me it's 441 songs and 1.6 days long.)
Usual stuff. No full albums (besides Volume 2--sort of need all of that).
A few surprises, too. Tracks from Ascended Masters, Michael Giles' solo album Progress, a bunch of John Greaves, Kevin Ayers' final album Unfairground, some Supersister--all have meshed in nicely alongside the classic Caravan and Hatfield tracks.
I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight.
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