Portnoy slams new Floyd album as disrespectful

[Jubal]

http://www.teamrock.com/news/2014-07...-disrespectful

Let's see, Mike. Did you slam The Final Cut? Did you slam much of The Wall and Animals?
When I saw the headline, my first thought was maybe he felt like it was disrespectful of the memory of Richard Wright.
The bottom line is that Roger became too difficult for Dave and Nick to work with. Sure, Roger wrote much of Floyd's better material. That doesn't mean it's not Pink Floyd without him.
Or maybe he is "Pink"...
Maybe they should just call it "Floyd" and have a picture of a certain barber doing something that would irritate a lib...

Let the "Flaming" begin...

[Harbottle]

Mike who?

[Frumious B]

I think AMLOR and TDB are a little dumbed down, or should I say dehydrated, compared to the real stuff. Waters was the conceptual backbone of the band for sure, but Gilmour and Wright were the musical backbone. Maybe a mostly instrumental album, which is what The Endless River is purported to be, will work better than the two albums of regular songs they tried.

[JJ88]

So hang on, Syd Barrett isn't 'real Pink Floyd' either?

(I'm aware that somebody will now pop up and wholeheartedly agree with that...I think I could guess who as well.)

I don't consider the two Waters-less albums to be masterpieces, that's for sure. But 'The Division Bell' was mostly strong and even 'A Momentary Lapse Of Reason' had several good tracks.

[Rand Kelly]

I could care less what he thinks. He did the same thing Roger did. Quit the band and expected the band to just either stop in Roger's case or in Mike's case to wait an indefinite amount of time for him to return. I think they are both highly unrealistic. David Gilmour has been PINK FLOYD since 1987 and I'm quite fine with that.

[Frumious B]

I think On An Island is actually the single best post Final Cut Floyd related album. It has much the same cast as TDB but a more relaxed and organic sound that recalls the Meddle and Obscured By Clouds era. AMLOR and TDB are stifled by these self conscious efforts at sounding more "Floyd". I think I read that Gilmour was even ordered by the label to rework a bunch of things for AMLOR because it didn't sound Floydian enough to put out as Pink Floyd.

[Toothyspook]

Mike who?

I just had to google him

[bob_32_116]

This Portnoy guy seems to do a lot of complaining.

[Dan Marsh]

I could care less what he thinks. He did the same thing Roger did. Quit the band and expected the band to just either stop in Roger's case or in Mike's case to wait an indefinite amount of time for him to return. I think they are both highly unrealistic. David Gilmour has been PINK FLOYD since 1987 and I'm quite fine with that.

Totally agree!

[Man In The Mountain]

Who cares, Mike is entitled to an opinion same as everyone else. And his opinion doesn't really differ from a lot of comments I've seen already from average Joe's. Mike's a passionate PF fan, and he has a strong opinion.... good for him!

Non story.

[Haruspex Carnage]

As i posted on some facebook thread (which was deleted)...under what authority is Portnoy (who as far as i'm concerned becomes more and more irrelevant) someone to one, compare himself to Floyd AT ALL and two, decide what is and isn't anything?

[gpeccary]

Yeah, he's entitled to his opinion even if its wrong Seriously, his departure on par with Waters departure in any way is batshit crazy. He clearly thinks DT should have ceased their existence as well. The difference is PF didn't get a better writer but DT got a better drummer. I guess we'll have to wait twenty years for him, like Waters, to see the folly in his argument.

[Dave (in MA)]

This Portnoy guy seems to do a lot of complaining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portnoy's_Complaint

[LeFrog]

What bothers me the most here is not Portnoy expressing his personal opinion on his FB page (which he's perfectly entitled to), but the fact that some site presents it as news with an obviously controversial headline. This inevitably generates the kind of reaction in the above posts such as "he's comparing himself to Waters" which is absolutely not implied in the quotes from Portnoy.

I'm no Portnoy fanboy, and I enjoy "controversial Floyd albums" such as the Final Cut, AMLOR and TDB, but I share Portnoy's doubts over the reason why leftovers from the Division Bell sessions are suddenly considered fit for release when they've been left aside for 20 years. I might change my mind where I hear the final product but I don't see how tweaking 20 years old instrumental jams is going to end up in something that lives up to the band's legacy (which is basically what Portnoy means when he says it's disrespectful to Waters who had a major part in building that legacy).

[gpeccary]

I read the interview as well, nothing but sour grapes IMV.

[wilcox660]

It's just a guy with an opinion. Attach no more importance to it than any other guy.

[Facelift]

AMLOR and Division Bell were called "Pink Fraud" for a reason.

[Gerhard]

Who cares, Mike is entitled to an opinion same as everyone else. And his opinion doesn't really differ from a lot of comments I've seen already from average Joe's. Mike's a passionate PF fan, and he has a strong opinion.... good for him!

Non story.

I agree, he stated an opinion shared by probably thousands of other music fans, and it doesn't seem to me like he's saying that opinion is more valid because of who he is. No reason this should be a big deal, or anyone should be offended or lash out at him.

[Scott Bails]

Who cares, Mike is entitled to an opinion same as everyone else. And his opinion doesn't really differ from a lot of comments I've seen already from average Joe's. Mike's a passionate PF fan, and he has a strong opinion.... good for him!

Non story.

It's just a guy with an opinion. Attach no more importance to it than any other guy.

Exactly. No idea why this makes headlines.

AMLOR and Division Bell were called "Pink Fraud" for a reason.

People really called them that?

[Facelift]

Exactly. No idea why this makes headlines.



People really called them that?

Sure - I remember it well. And it couldn't have been more accurate.

[Rufus]

AMLOR and Division Bell were called "Pink Fraud" for a reason.

I remember this phrase & they were nothing more than Gilmour solo albuns with a cast of thousands. . I agree with Portnoy 100%. With the number of session musicians on those albums how do you even know what Wright & Mason even played, if at all?

[gpeccary]

Are we forgetting how many session musicians were on the Wall?? If I'm not mistaken, THAT'S where all THAT started. As far as I know that was Waters' not Gilmours' doing. Anyway, it didn't bother me then, and it doesn't bother me now, I'm just excited something new is on its way. The biggest issue for me with post Waters Floyd wasn't the music, but the writing.

[Jefferson James]

I am choosing to be offended just for the fun of it (I have absolutely zero interest in any "new" Pink Floyd music, frankly).

[notallwhowander]

Non story.

Yup.

[Scott Bails]

Sure - I remember it well. And it couldn't have been more accurate.

Let's just say that I disagree.


Vehemently.