Univers Zero - Phosphorescent Dreams

[Sunhillow]

Has anyone heard it yet. Is it any good?

The band clearly doesn't want to sell any copies whatsoever, except in Japan. Of course, the Japanese record-company declined my offer to stream it and thereby offer some modest form of promotion. But if hearing the damn piece - even samples are obscure - is difficult, trying to obtain a copy in Europe (USA - shipping rates are so high it's almost an embargo) is almost impossible.

Well, it's going to be Discogs in about a year I guess. If it's any good, that is. And Soulseek while waiting

[Zeuhlmate]

I believe http://musicbymail.dk (Pierre Tassone, Denmark) has it.

[Kcrimso]

It is brilliant. It is maybe my favourite UZ album since Uzed.

[Steve F.]

Has anyone heard it yet. Is it any good?

The band clearly doesn't want to sell any copies whatsoever, except in Japan. Of course, the Japanese record-company declined my offer to stream it and thereby offer some modest form of promotion. But if hearing the damn piece - even samples are obscure - is difficult, trying to obtain a copy in Europe (USA - shipping rates are so high it's almost an embargo) is almost impossible.

Well, it's going to be Discogs in about a year I guess. If it's any good, that is. And Soulseek while waiting

Don't you ever get embarrassed by the self-righteous self-promotion, as well as the trashing of anyone who dares to say 'no thank you' to your site?

[taliesin]

Don't you ever get embarrassed by the self-righteous self-promotion, as well as the trashing of anyone who dares to say 'no thank you' to your site?

He doesn't seem to.

[Sunhillow]

I believe http://musicbymail.dk (Pierre Tassone, Denmark) has it.

Thanks! I will investigate that site.

[Sunhillow]

He doesn't seem to.

I see you need. Do you?

[taliesin]

I haven't the faintest idea what you think I need.

But I don't care for the nonstop self promotion, putting your updates on the main page rather than the what's up page (which the mods seem to have given up on) and your reaction whenever someone doesn't let you put their album on your site that they're stupid and short sighted and deserve it if they get pirated.

Other than that I'm good.

[Steve F.]

I haven't the faintest idea what you think I need.

But I don't care for the nonstop self promotion, putting your updates on the main page rather than the what's up page (which the mods seem to have given up on) and your reaction whenever someone doesn't let you put their album on your site that they're stupid and short sighted and deserve it if they get pirated.

Other than that I'm good.

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[selfextraction]

I'll stay out of the other stuff but I agree with this:

It is brilliant. It is maybe my favourite UZ album since Uzed.

except substitute Uzed with Heatwave. Can't stop listening to this.

[flytomars]

I'll stay out of the other stuff but I agree with this:




except substitute Uzed with Heatwave. Can't stop listening to this.

Wow, that good?
Is this going to get another issue (mabe vinyl?) in the forseen future or the japanese edition the only way to go?

[NogbadTheBad]

It's excellent, I liked Clivages a lot and I put this one and Clivages up with Uzed & Heatwave. UZ is certainly having a renaissance at the moment. Maybe too expensive for the casual fan but certainly worth it for UZ fans.

[NogbadTheBad]

Has anyone heard it yet. Is it any good?

The band clearly doesn't want to sell any copies whatsoever, except in Japan. Of course, the Japanese record-company declined my offer to stream it and thereby offer some modest form of promotion. But if hearing the damn piece - even samples are obscure - is difficult, trying to obtain a copy in Europe (USA - shipping rates are so high it's almost an embargo) is almost impossible.

Well, it's going to be Discogs in about a year I guess. If it's any good, that is. And Soulseek while waiting

Guess you'll just have to buy a copy to find out, eh?

[Hobo Chang Ba]

Agreed that the jap only way is an unsane way to go and agree that it's enjoyable.

I still stand by my comments in the other thread about it, but even a UZ near the bottom of their work is still quite good in the overall scheme of things.

[Sunhillow]

But I don't care for the nonstop self promotion, putting your updates on the main page rather than the what's up page (which the mods seem to have given up on) and your reaction whenever someone doesn't let you put their album on your site that they're stupid and short sighted and deserve it if they get pirated.

It saddenes me when people - both in real life and within 'progressive rock' - seems to read more in my actions than was meant, and get my intentions wrong. But I guess the road to hell is paved with good intentions. That said, I'm also personally hurt by the mostly untrue comments and pretty nasty snears above. Hurt, and a bit angry. I'm not only running a very successful site - of whom I'm that enthousiast I admit I can't stap yapping about - but I'm also a member of PE for I guess more than 10 years now. So I think I deserve a little bit more respect on both accounts.

The sad side-effect is also that you've both ruined a thread that was started to find out if the Univers Zero was any good, and to complain a little bit about its availibility. I don't care if people, musicians or labels don't want me to stream them. But I do care if they don't have their distribution in order. That makes me shake my head and protest about it.

[thedunno]

I'll buy this when it is available at a reasonable price. If not? there are enough other bands.

[Trane]

Agreed that the jap only way is an unsane way to go and agree that it's enjoyable.

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It's safe to say that many of us wonder about this strategy...

but while the PD album is good, I expected something slightly more different , because the line-up revamp had us (at least some of us) thinking it would a bigger departure from the usual UZ sonics

[rcarlberg]

and to complain a little bit about its availibility.

What availability problem? I bought mine from Steve and he had it in stock and it was in my hands within 3 days.

Are you complaining about the price? $30 is only twice a domestic release, 1/3 more than most imports. And this is UNIVERS ZERO we're talking about -- if you love the music as much as I do, I'd gladly give up two One Direction albums for one UZ

Is it good? Oh fuck yes.

[Steve F.]

I don't care if people, musicians or labels don't want me to stream them.

Sure you don't.

Of course, the Japanese record-company declined my offer to stream .... If it's any good, that is. And Soulseek while waiting

Do you even remember what you posted 12 hours previously?

Hurt, and a bit angry.

Poor baby. You aren't half as angry as I was when you suggested on this forum to Mike Johnson that he should find a better label when I said 'no thank you' to your offer to stream the latest Thinking Plague.

You want respect? Earn it.

All I see is someone who lashes out and insults artists and labels who don't wish to take you up on your offer to stream albums. Your site is a good idea. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to say 'no thank you', without enduring a stream of insults from you.

Grow up and earn some respect.

[rcarlberg]

I'll buy this when it is available at a reasonable price. If not? there are enough other bands.

Huh, apparently music is a different experience for you. All bands are equal. What you listen to is not important.

[rcarlberg]

Of course, the Japanese record-company declined my offer to stream it and thereby offer some modest form of promotion.

Reality check.

Streaming a 'niche' album like Phosphorescent Dreams isn't going to "offer some modest form of promotion" -- those who know UZ are already tuned into it, and those that don't aren't likely to be listening to your program.

All your streaming would accomplish would be for some listeners to download the album for free.

Niche albums don't sell a lot of copies to begin with -- a few hundred sales lost to downloads can make a pretty big dent in the economics of even releasing new material. I recently enjoyed the RIO documentary "Romantic Warriors II" (highly recommended!) wherein some musicians were discussing being in five to seven bands just to pay the bills. Even then, many of them have day jobs.

You're not "sticking it to the man." You're discouraging musicians from making a meager living doing the music they -- and we -- love.

[selfextraction]

I'd gladly give up two One Direction albums for one UZ.

[Sunhillow]

What availability problem? I bought mine from Steve and he had it in stock and it was in my hands within 3 days.

Are you complaining about the price? $30 is only twice a domestic release, 1/3 more than most imports. And this is UNIVERS ZERO we're talking about -- if you love the music as much as I do, I'd gladly give up two One Direction albums for one UZ

Is it good? Oh fuck yes.

Guess your right. Though shipping something from US to Europe is pretty expensive. But I hear you!

Poor baby. You aren't half as angry as I was when you suggested on this forum to Mike Johnson that he should find a better label when I said 'no thank you' to your offer to stream the latest Thinking Plague.

You want respect? Earn it.

All I see is someone who lashes out and insults artists and labels who don't wish to take you up on your offer to stream albums. Your site is a good idea. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to say 'no thank you', without enduring a stream of insults from you.

Grow up and earn some respect.

Guess I had that coming, and again I'm sorry if I've offended you. Though these circumstances have happened more than a year ago, and I remember giving my apologies for this a long time ago. But if that hasn't clicked, I again offer my apologies, for that remark was clearly uncalled for.

Reality check.

Streaming a 'niche' album like Phosphorescent Dreams isn't going to "offer some modest form of promotion" -- those who know UZ are already tuned into it, and those that don't aren't likely to be listening to your program.

All your streaming would accomplish would be for some listeners to download the album for free.

Niche albums don't sell a lot of copies to begin with -- a few hundred sales lost to downloads can make a pretty big dent in the economics of even releasing new material. I recently enjoyed the RIO documentary "Romantic Warriors II" (highly recommended!) wherein some musicians were discussing being in five to seven bands just to pay the bills. Even then, many of them have day jobs.

You're not "sticking it to the man." You're discouraging musicians from making a meager living doing the music they -- and we -- love.

That may be your opinion and I agree on some parts of it. Yet I stream many avant-prog-releases, and the bands I stream almost always seems to be pleased with the promotion. And personally, whether you like it or not, I am of the opinion there's a direct link between how many times an album is illegaly downloaded and sold. But that's a discussion that's even more dangerous than 'what is prog?' or 'should Anderson rejoin Yes?'

[Trane]

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All your streaming would accomplish would be for some listeners to download the album for free.

I didn't know you could download from a streaming site , free or not... (but then again, i'm a bloody troglodyte when informatics are concerned)...

Another unwanted effect is that someone could listen/stream the latest UZ album free, and say: "naaaaahhhèèèè ... sounds like yet another UZ album, but twice as expensive as usual..."

Then again, if I'd been patient enough, I could've waited until it hit the public libraries system and borrow it for a ridiculous price... (well maybe not this particular hard-to-get album )


I tried by curiosity a few indie stores in Berussels if I could order UZ"sq PD and Serge Fiori 's new album, and they're simply not available to order or import on the Benelux...

[rcarlberg]

I'm pretty sure Steve ships internationally.