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    Subjectivity, cognitive science, music and chills

    So, at the weekend I went to http://continuityboy.blogspot.co.uk/...at-movies.html , which was very interesting. One particularly interesting bit was how much they ended up talking about music rather than film, and I was reminded (again) of how much we tend to underestimate the subjective in our experiences of music. Even when we're politely saying "IMHO" and "your mileage may vary", we still tend to act as if how much we enjoy a piece of music is an objective measure of quality, whereas the (scientifically demonstrable) reality is that how much we enjoy a piece of music is hugely affected by how we listen to it (when, where, in what mood etc.), how often we've heard it before, how often we've heard similar pieces before, our cultural context and other factors.

    That said, there are some objective phenomena in our experiences of music, film and other art that can be studied. One speaker, for example, cited work by Grewe and others on 'chills'. You know, that moment in a piece of music when you get a physical sensation, a chill, a shiver. Grewe and others have shown that such moments are, to a degree, predictable and reproducible. For example, they are often associated with a crescendo or diminuendo, or with a new voice/timbre entering the music. You can read Grewe's work and deliberately build 'chillogenic' moments into music you're creating. At the same time, this isn't a perfectly reliable system, because the experience also depends on the familiarity with the music and whether one is in a receptive mood. The speaker, Sheena Rogers, was then extending these ideas to film and to experiences of the sublime, those rare moments of transcendence that go beyond mere 'chills', again looking at how these can be manipulated, but also reflect experience/mood etc.

    Henry
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    Interesting. For some reason the "chill-inducing" moment I thought of is Alex Lifeson's solo on "Limelight." There's definitely something about the way it goes up high, then swings down low, then gets all quivery. I've also heard that watching fireworks somehow pleases some part of the brain, and probably things like cool graphics, explosions, etc in movies and videogames have an affect on the same or a similar part of the brain. So I can see that Lifeson's solo on "Limelight," and other great moments like this in lots of music, and lots of parts of movies, etc. are somehow pleasing certain parts of the brain that respond with some kind of pleasurable release of endorphins or something.

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    So, Rogers was trying to get her film studies students to create chill-moments in short films by using similar tricks: introducing a new element, or using 'chillogenic' music. I wished she'd talked more about this in her talk because she didn't go into any details.

    For me, I get quivers at the sorts of places in music Grewe and Rogers would predict. In prog, that's often the transition point where you get a shift in tempo/rhythm/timbre, like in "And You and I". In other music... well, I was enjoying Calvin Harris's 18 Months and it's like he's read Grewe's work. I love the album, but it's very formulaic: a crescendo building behind the vocals here, a new sound coming in there, stuff that works very well when you're in a club on ecstasy I imagine. (Long time since I've been to a club!)

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    As to music-induced chills, I get a mega-chill @ 19:30 into Revealing Science of God, just at the point where Wakeman is coming off his kick-ass synth solo
    transitioning into the smooth orchestral Mellotron section just as Jon starts singing "you move fast, you tell me". I've been listening to that song for 40 years
    now and I still get those chills. Medicated or not. Everytime.

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    Building tension in a minor key and switching to a major can be a pretty reliable chill inducer if done right...

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