Weidorje

[mellotron storm]

Just curious if that word is French or Kobaian? From the Weidorje liner notes they say it means "Celestial wheel in Biblical tongue" whatever that means.

[notallwhowander]

Biblical languages are ancient Heberew, Aramaic, and Greek, I believe. I could be missing one.

But then, what is scripture in a zeuhlik universe?

Tremendous album, though!

[rcarlberg]

WEIDORJE means "celestial wheel". This word appears for the very first time in MAGMA's album "Üdü Wüdü" in the form of a short track (4:30) composed by Paganotti and Blasquiz, the latter being the second master brain in MAGMA, along with Vander (Blasquiz achieved by the way WEIDORJE's cover art).

Google Translate says it means "over" in Western Frisian.

West Frisian, or simply Frisian (Frysk; Dutch: Fries [ˈfris]) is a West Germanic language spoken mostly in the province of Friesland (Fryslân) in the north of the Netherlands, mostly by those of Frisian ancestry. It is the most widely spoken of the three Frisian languages.

Like all things Zeuhl, take everything you read with extreme skepticism.

[moecurlythanu]

Biblical languages are ancient Heberew, Aramaic, and Greek, I believe.

You are correct.

[mellotron storm]

Biblical languages are ancient Heberew, Aramaic, and Greek, I believe. I could be missing one.

But then, what is scripture in a zeuhlik universe?

Tremendous album, though!

This is true, I've studied the Bible for a lot of years which is why I said "whatever that means". It's not a word in the Bible so I'm not sure what the person was getting at who wrote the liner notes. And was wondering if that is a French word or Kobaian? It makes sense being celestial wheel as in a spaceship considering what the whole concept is about. Ezekiel's vision involved what one might call celestial wheels when he saw God come out of the storm as a captive of the babylonians in that country by the Kebar River. I have a feeling it's simply a spaceship and Kobaian.

[mellotron storm]

Also it's a song on Udu Wudu and my liner notes which I think explain the concept are in French which I don't understand. It might help knowing what that is abaout if anyone knows.

[TheH]

I think "Biblical tongue" simply means ancient tongue in this case. It's Kobaian so "made up" anyway.

[rcarlberg]

Also it's a song on Udu Wudu

I guess mellotron storm has me blocked

[mellotron storm]

I guess mellotron storm has me blocked

I'm sorry! I replied quickly this morning to one post before I had to go to work. Thanks for your info especially that obscure language from The Netherlands.
TheH I think hit the nail on the head in that it is a Kobaian word so a supposed ancient language like the Biblical ones. Pronounced Vay-dorje I understand.

[mellotron storm]

Thinking of getting a personal plate for my car, probably the only Koabaian word on a plate in Canada.

[rcarlberg]

a supposed ancient language like the Biblical ones.

Except Kobaïan dates only to 1969. That's not as 'ancient' as Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek, unless you're using an exponential calendar.

[MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER]

it means "Celestial wheel in Biblical tongue" whatever that means.

It likely refers to Ezekiel's vision

[MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER]

Ezekiel 1:15*As I kept seeing the living creatures, why, look! there was one wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, by the four faces of each. 16*As for the appearance of the wheels and their structure, it was like the glow of chrys´o·lite; and the four of them had one likeness. And their appearance and their structure were just as when a wheel proved to be in the midst of a wheel. 17*When they went they would go on their four respective sides. They would not turn another way when they went. 18*And as for their rims, they had such height that they caused fearfulness; and their rims were full of eyes all around the four of them. 19*And when the living creatures went, the wheels would go beside them, and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up. 20*Wherever the spirit inclined to go, they would go, the spirit [inclining] to go there; and the wheels themselves would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21*When they went, these would go; and when they stood still, these would stand still; and when they were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

[TheH]

Except Kobaïan dates only to 1969. That's not as 'ancient' as Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek, unless you're using an exponential calendar.

As Kobaïan is made up it is also part of it's own made up history, in which it can be as old as Vander wants it to be

Also at least in Germany the term "Biblical" (biblisch) in connection with age, simply means very old and doesn't indicate any real connection to the Bibel itself.

[Mister Triscuits]

16*As for the appearance of the wheels and their structure, it was like the glow of chrys´o·lite;

Is chrys´o·lite anything like Cryst-O-Mint?

[MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER]

Dictionary
chrys·o·lite
a yellowish-green or brownish variety of olivine, used as a gemstone.

[Mister Triscuits]

Dictionary
chrys·o·lite
a yellowish-green or brownish variety of olivine, used as a gemstone.

LOL. I'm well aware of what chrysolite is. I was reacting to the bizarre way whatever source you copied those bible verses from broke the word up into syllables.

[aith01]

LOL. I'm well aware of what chrysolite is. I was reacting to the bizarre way whatever source you copied those bible verses from broke the word up into syllables.

That's actually not an uncommon thing in many Bible translations. Larger words/names will be broken into their respective syllables. It can also help with how to pronounce them, as some of those names can be rather "difficult" to say accurately.

[moecurlythanu]

LOL. I'm well aware of what chrysolite is. I was reacting to the bizarre way whatever source you copied those bible verses from broke the word up into syllables.

It was translated by Kid Dyn-O-Mite.

[mellotron storm]

Ezekiel 1:15*As I kept seeing the living creatures, why, look! there was one wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, by the four faces of each. 16*As for the appearance of the wheels and their structure, it was like the glow of chrys´o·lite; and the four of them had one likeness. And their appearance and their structure were just as when a wheel proved to be in the midst of a wheel. 17*When they went they would go on their four respective sides. They would not turn another way when they went. 18*And as for their rims, they had such height that they caused fearfulness; and their rims were full of eyes all around the four of them. 19*And when the living creatures went, the wheels would go beside them, and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up. 20*Wherever the spirit inclined to go, they would go, the spirit [inclining] to go there; and the wheels themselves would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21*When they went, these would go; and when they stood still, these would stand still; and when they were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

Like a throne cart for God is what Ezekiel saw.
When I reviewed Weidorje's album almost 11 years ago based on that quote about Biblical tongue from the liner notes I mentioned Ezekiel with a question mark but I honestly believe now since this was first a song off Udu Wudu we're talking about a spaceship here given that whole planet Kobaia science fiction concept. Wishful thinking on my part at the time.

[moecurlythanu]

What Robert said was not accurate, and I disagree with what he said as well.

Yeah, Robert had it kind of backwards. The period when what was canonical was in flux was up until 382 AD (or 692 AD if you're not Catholic.) It's been stable since then.

[GuitarGeek]

Like a throne cart for God is what Ezekiel saw.
When I reviewed Weidorje's album almost 11 years ago based on that quote about Biblical tongue from the liner notes I mentioned Ezekiel with a question mark but I honestly believe now since this was first a song off Udu Wudu we're talking about a spaceship here given that whole planet Kobaia science fiction concept. Wishful thinking on my part at the time.

Some people have interpreted Ezekiel's wheel as being a spaceship, and the beings he saw inside as extraterrestrials. Course, those are often times the same people who buy into all that Chariots Of The Gods nonsense, so maybe one should ignore that particular "hypothesis".

[Zeuhlmate]

I dont think there is much semantical reasoning behind what goes on in kobaian or weidorjes use of it.
It is a tool for the music.

I dont mind people taking their religion serious personally and talk about it here (its interesting), but dont expect us all to have the same feelings or any special respect for religion as such. We should try to respect each other as persons, but if you identify yourself with your religion . . . it gets more difficult.

[Poisoned Youth]

I’ll clean up this thread instead of close as I feel the majority here are trying to be respectful while walking the line of a potentially sensitive subject.

To MT and others, try not to take the bait. Be it religion or your favorite prog group, often the best course of action is to ignore as it is rarely productive. Just let us know and we will attend to it.

Robert, we get a lot of complaints about your “thread crapping” and thinly veiled swipes on a variety of subjects. You’re on notice for your cumulative efforts as you clearly have little respect for PE’s guidelines and your fellow posters. Next time we receive a complaint you’ll be taking a long break from the site. It might be wise for you to take a voluntary one now since you can’t seem to control yourself.

And I’m not interested in discussing so please don’t PM me.

Let’s move on...

[Zappathustra]

I don't agree with almost anything Robert says. Also his opinions are potentially irritating to me. But never - and I mean never - have I felt offended from what he says. The guy is no troll, he just express his own opinions, which contribute wirh honesty to the given discussion.

I understand that the guidelines of this place can be more restrained than what I think they could be. I am just stating my own personal opinion here.