I found this in a sidebar while reading a story about The Who. This sounds fairly credible. So much for the story of ol' DB getting eaten by Bigfoot.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...entity-693912/
I found this in a sidebar while reading a story about The Who. This sounds fairly credible. So much for the story of ol' DB getting eaten by Bigfoot.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...entity-693912/
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
Very interesting. I've always been fascinated with the story. But it's thin on actual details. It would have been nice to have a picture of the guy to compare to the famous sketches, for example.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
There have been a NUMBER of likely suspects and even confessions over the years -- but the bare fact is, in February 1980 a camper found some of the ransom money, deteriorated but still bundled in rubber bands (and confirmed by the FBI as Cooper's ransom money) along the Columbia river. This means Cooper and his money got separated, which means he either died in the jump or died in the landing.
Thanks for the pics.
Not sure how being separated from the money means that he died.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
If you went to all that trouble to get $200,000 in a duffel bag, wouldn't YOU go retrieve it when it fell?The found money was still banded with rubber bands. If Cooper had opened the duffel and gone through the money on his way down in the parachute, don't you think he would've kept the BANDED stuff?Originally Posted by ronmac
Who suggested he opened his bag during his descent? Maybe had a rough landing and lost some of the money during his 20,000-foot jump? Maybe he ran into a hunter who demanded money at gun point. Maybe he fought off a bear with it. Maybe he used that particular bundle as toilet paper. Maybe he planted it and tried to grow a money tree.
Bottom line is that you don't know any more than anyone else here about what actually happened. You just choose to make assumptions about it.
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
Yeah, it's much more likely D.B. Cooper is alive & well and living in San Diego.
Don't be so gullible, people.Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Last edited by rcarlberg; 07-09-2018 at 09:25 PM.
I'm trying to figure out who's being gullible here. You're the one connecting dots here. We're merely challenging your assumptions.
Don't bother replying, because this is just another thread being hijacked by incessant bickering and I don't want to participate.
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
False choice. These are not the only two things that could have caused him and a portion of his money to be separated. The scenarios are literally endless, a few of which Ronmac imagined.
You clearly have never jumped from an aircraft. NO ONE, and I do mean NO ONE, would have opened that duffel bag while descending in order to "go through the money", even on a clear day over a desert. The conditions that Cooper jumped (nighttime, driving rain, mountainous terrain with the ever-present danger of trees) makes such a proposition even more ridiculous. With next-to-no light, no ground flares or anything else to assist the jumper in making a safe landing, and descending under a round 'chute, he was dropping fast and would be very lucky if he didn't break a leg on landing.
Yep, and its for those very reasons you outlined that I believe that the dude's dead or died soon after, unless he was some sort of special ops commando with hours of similar jumps under his belt. But you're right, nobody really knows. It's an entertaining thought to think he made off with a chunk of cash and eluded detection and capture, I guess, but then again I'm entertained by ghost stories too.
Dude's dead.
Thank you. That was PRECISELY why I chose to word it like I did, to show how ridiculous it was to propose that Cooper removed bundles of cash from the duffel and kept the rest (queue the rolly-eyes icon).
There are exactly two choices.
- Cooper got separated from his money when he exited the airplane
- Cooper got separated from his money when he landed
No other scenario makes sense.
If #2 is true, then he must have died on impact (chute didn't open, bad landing, hung up in a tree for three weeks...) Any other outcome he would have retrieved the money.
That leaves #1 as the ONLY other possible scenario. Picture it. He's standing in the 727 cargo bay at 115 mph 10,000 feet up in the pitch dark. He engages the controls to open the rear bay door. The cabin experiences a rapid air pressure change, indicating a sudden rush of air out of the aircraft. Cooper would have been forcefully sucked out of the aircraft. If he was prepared enough, he MIGHT have held onto his duffel bag and he MIGHT have maintained his parachute (experienced paratroopers say the 115 mph airspeed is just barely survivable). But the chances are he wasn't prepared for the violence of it (minus 70 degree windchill, HUGE rush of air as the door opens...)
I.e. it seems nearly incontrovertible, to me, that he died shortly after exiting the airplane. Hypothermia, parachute ripped off or didn't open, knocked unconscious or worse.You're right of course, nobody knows for sure. But it takes a lot more imagination to propose how he survived than to propose how he died.Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Last edited by rcarlberg; 07-11-2018 at 01:31 AM.
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
I dunno. That's how I read your comments:Originally Posted by rcarlberg
Originally Posted by ronmac
Name a few.
Bear three facts in mind:
- loafers
- trenchcoat
- manually-operated ripcord parachute
Last edited by rcarlberg; 07-11-2018 at 09:38 AM.
1. He was injured during the descent and prioritized his health and survival over the money
2. The money could have fallen miles away from where he landed. His body was never found - why would you expect him to be able to find money in such a wooded area?
3. Only a portion of the money was ever found. Maybe he figured that he had enough and it wasn't worth looking for whatever was lost.
4. The money could have fallen into the river (it was found on a riverbank) and traveled miles away downstream.
And on and on.
The point being, "if he didn't die, he would have retrieved the money" is a very limited conclusion to draw.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Only if you're closed-minded and stubborn.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
I love how you claim to speak for "everyone but me" when only Scott and you are promoting this idea. I have the FBI on my side, dude.
That Rolling Stone article is about a team of former FBI investigators.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
I'm not promoting any idea except the that yours ISN'T THE ONLY POSSIBLE SCENARIOS no matter how sure or yourself you are.
Me neither. I'm done wasting my time with another relentless shit-fest about NOTHING. Fuck this BS.
Let's have a real conversation some day.
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
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