Fake Marillion Bandcamp Account!

**JKL2000** · 09-11-2016

I wanted to start a separate thread about this because I thought it was such a fascinating thing to see, and I guess it's still unraveling.

Someone posted on the Marillion F.E.A.R. thread that the album was available for download on Bandcamp even though the release date was pushed back to Sept. 23rd.

https://marillionband.bandcamp.com/album/f-e-a-r

I took a look and figured that someone Bandcamp had mistakenly threw it up for download, not knowing the release date was changed (I really don't know how Bandcamp works, not having a band - don't know if the bands post releases themselves or if Bandcamp does it). Anyway, I immediately purchased the download and downloaded the FLAC files and the MP3s, then I emailed Lucy Jordache to let her know, thinking this was a mistake on Bandcamp's part. (I did think the $4.90 download price was pretty low.) Lucy emailed me back and said someone was trying to make money off of them, they were aware of it and were handling the situation. I have no doubt that heads will roll! The files posted are probably the leaked MP3 files, and they were probably bogusly converted to FLAC format.

But this is pretty alarming that someone can falsify this and collect payments for fraudulently posted music. I've already sent a message to Bandcamp asking for a refund.

It will be pretty interesting to see what happens - I'm curious to see what Bandcamp has to say in response to my message.

**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

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**LeFrog** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by JKL2000

I wanted to start a separate thread about this because I thought it was such a fascinating thing to see, and I guess it's still unraveling.

Someone posted on the Marillion F.E.A.R. thread that the album was available for download on Bandcamp even though the release date was pushed back to Sept. 23rd.

https://marillionband.bandcamp.com/album/f-e-a-r

I'm the one who posted the link on the Marillion forum after seing it posted here in the FEAR thread. I couldn't imagine it wasn't legit until I saw your updates.

Jefferson James · 09-11-2016

Welcome to the digital age, what a horrible situation for Marillion and their fans -- like it's not hard enough already. I'm interested in the Bandcamp reaction as well.

**Roth-Handle Studios** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by KerryKompost

Welcome to the digital age, what a horrible situation for Marillion and their fans -- like it's not hard enough already. I'm interested in the Bandcamp reaction as well.

Maybe Marillion could start a Kickstarter campaign to try to sort the whole thing out?

// Mattias

**progmeister** · 09-11-2016

Wow I just bought it in WAV and it's obviously a boot. Tinny, clipping, dropouts, etc. I just sent "Marillion" a nasty email on "their" bandcamp account.

I'm gonna listen to it once and then delete.

I want my first real listen to be in 24/96 after I figure out how to rip the damn bluray.

**soundchaser93** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by progmeister

I want my first real listen to be in 24/96 after I figure out how to rip the damn bluray.

So, it gets a little complicated, but I've found the best way to do this involves two programs: MakeMKV and WinFF. The former allows you to rip the Blu-Ray into .mkv files, and the latter allows you to convert those .mkv files to audio files. There may be an easier way, but I've yet to discover it.

**philsunset** · 09-11-2016

I should fall over in my chair right now. Dirt dive?

**JKL2000** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by philsunset

I should fall over in my chair right now. Dirt dive?

Hi Bob! Nice to know who you are now after ProgDay! But I don't quite get the above - maybe it's just me.

Jed

**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by JKL2000

I wanted to start a separate thread about this because I thought it was such a fascinating thing to see, and I guess it's still unraveling.

Someone posted on the Marillion F.E.A.R. thread that the album was available for download on Bandcamp even though the release date was pushed back to Sept. 23rd.

https://marillionband.bandcamp.com/album/f-e-a-r

I took a look and figured that someone Bandcamp had mistakenly threw it up for download, not knowing the release date was changed (I really don't know how Bandcamp works, not having a band - don't know if the bands post releases themselves or if Bandcamp does it). Anyway, I immediately purchased the download and downloaded the FLAC files and the MP3s, then I emailed Lucy Jordache to let her know, thinking this was a mistake on Bandcamp's part. (I did think the $4.90 download price was pretty low.) Lucy emailed me back and said someone was trying to make money off of them, they were aware of it and were handling the situation. I have no doubt that heads will roll! The files posted are probably the leaked MP3 files, and they were probably bogusly converted to FLAC format.

But this is pretty alarming that someone can falsify this and collect payments for fraudulently posted music. I've already sent a message to Bandcamp asking for a refund.

It will be pretty interesting to see what happens - I'm curious to see what Bandcamp has to say in response to my message.

Marillion now knows...stand by...

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**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

I will quote Marillion shortly....

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**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

@Progradar illegal. Not us. Please don't share this

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**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

@Progradar @ProgRockMelanie if you got it from band camp it's not legal and you have given money to a stealing scumbag

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**JKL2000** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by melanieshiffman

Marillion now knows...stand by..

As I said above I exchanged emails with Lucy about it earlier today and she was already aware of it, and said it was an unauthorized person trying to sell the album - and a bum version at that!

**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

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**progmeister** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by soundchaser93

So, it gets a little complicated, but I've found the best way to do this involves two programs: MakeMKV and WinFF. The former allows you to rip the Blu-Ray into .mkv files, and the latter allows you to convert those .mkv files to audio files. There may be an easier way, but I've yet to discover it.

I'm a mac user and I use DVD Audio Extractor to rip DVD-A's and I "kind of" ripped the bluray of the new Chicago Box Set with an external bluray player and a trial version of MakeMKV but it wasn't very intuitive. Was supposed to be 24/96 but for some reason only gave me 24/48 and no song ID's

**JKL2000** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by melanieshiffman

@Progradar @ProgRockMelanie if you got it from band camp it's not legal and you have given money to a stealing scumbag

Are @Progradar and @ProgRockMelanie both Twitter things? I've never used Twitter - I hope they send out an email! As I said I sent a message to Bandcamp about this asking for a refund - I think whoever did this is going to have to be confronted by Bandcamp - that's where it's going to get interesting.

**melanieshiffman** · 09-11-2016

Yes Twitter

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**PixelDelirium** · 09-11-2016

Originally Posted by progmeister

I'm a mac user and I use DVD Audio Extractor to rip DVD-A's and I "kind of" ripped the bluray of the new Chicago Box Set with an external bluray player and a trial version of MakeMKV but it wasn't very intuitive. Was supposed to be 24/96 but for some reason only gave me 24/48 and no song ID's

I've used MakeMKV and DVD Audio Extractor to rip Blu-rays for many years (on Windows). I even use them to rip 5.1 FLACs as well as hires stereo (including 24/96). I've never had a problem (occasionally MakeMKV falls a bit behind the latest Blu-ray crypto version but the next release has always caught up). I always input the album and track titles manually though. (I do use my own custom software for playback and cataloging so that could be masking any issues you may be encountering with playback.)

**mnprogger** · 09-11-2016

/waiting for Bandcamp to have a page for an artist named The Beatles

**moecurlythanu** · 09-11-2016

Sounds like Marillion needs to talk to their solicitor about going after Bandcamp and the individual account holder. Both are accountable.

**Spiral** · 09-12-2016

It still seems to be up as of now (Monday morning EDT). Wonder what Bandcamp's usual time frame is for taking things down (and/or preventing them being re-uploaded)? Don't know how common it is for them, but I hope they can at least do better than Grooveshark.

Originally Posted by progmeister

I just bought it in WAV and it's obviously a boot. Tinny, clipping, dropouts, etc. ... I want my first real listen to be in 24/96 after I figure out how to rip the damn bluray.

Not to be too snarky, but then, why not just wait until you actually get the Blu-ray and rip it?

**progmeister** · 09-12-2016

Originally Posted by Spiral

It still seems to be up as of now (Monday morning EDT). Wonder what Bandcamp's usual time frame is for taking things down (and/or preventing them being re-uploaded)? Don't know how common it is for them, but I hope they can at least do better than Grooveshark.

Not to be too snarky, but then, why not just wait until you actually get the Blu-ray and rip it?

Just listened once then deleted. Temptation was too great.

**JKL2000** · 09-12-2016

Originally Posted by Spiral

It still seems to be up as of now (Monday morning EDT).

Not to be too snarky, but then, why not just wait until you actually get the Blu-ray and rip it?

Uhh, because he didn't know it was fraudulent?

Apparently it's down now, and Marillion has got an OFFICIAL Bandcamp page.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for a reply from Bandcamp about my message asking for a refund. If they don't reply I'm going to send another message asking if their policy is to allow fraudulent pages, and it's the responsibility of their customers to detect and steer clear of them.

I don't think they're used to communicating directly with customers, so this may take a while.