Dimeadozen.org asking for financial support

[JKL2000]

Just passing this on. Anyone know how one might donate if Dime doesn't have a functioning PayPal account?

This is ironic as doesn't Google own both PayPal and YouTube (which hosts tons of unauthorized live recordings? Or maybe I'm getting my e-conglomerates confused. eBay owns PayPal - who owns eBay?
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Hey all,

In more than 11 years we never had to ask for financial support. Now we have to, unfortunately. Since PayPal froze our account and funds donations are dwindling down. For the month of February we had to cover the costs with our own money. Needless to say that we can't be doing that for long. In order to keep the site running regular constributions are required. It is up to you if DIME will remain or not. Thank you for reading.

Best,
jupiter2101, DIME Mod

[thedunno]

A service that is used massively for illegal file sharing and does nothing to stop it is asking for Financial support? Not me. Let them go down.

[Plasmatopia]

I've never heard of PayPal...


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[JKL2000]

A service that is used massively for illegal file sharing and does nothing to stop it is asking for Financial support? Not me. Let them go down.

Are you against the vinyl bootlegs of the 70's? BTW, I'm pretty sure Dimeadozen is and will remain completely non-profit.

[JKL2000]

I've never heard of PayPal...


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Lucky you!

[Scott Bails]

I've never heard of PayPal...


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[Dave (in MA)]

A service that is used massively for illegal file sharing and does nothing to stop it is asking for Financial support? Not me. Let them go down.

Dimeadozen doesn't allow sharing anything illegal and will remove anything that goes against the artists' wishes.

[nycsteve]

A service that is used massively for illegal file sharing and does nothing to stop it is asking for Financial support? Not me. Let them go down.

You don't know what your talking about. Dime shares nothing that is illeagal, in fact anything not conforming to their strict code of allowed material is removed immeadiatly and the person responsible banned either permenantly or a long time out depending on the infraction.

[viukkis]

Dimeadozen doesn't allow sharing anything illegal and will remove anything that goes against the artists' wishes.

And they are really strict about this. Dime has a lot of shows that are missing a song or two in the middle because if a particular live performance has been officially released in any form, it is forbidden to be shared on Dime. It doesn't matter if it was just a strictly limited Japan-only flexidisc.

[Dave (in MA)]

You don't know what your talking about.

Well, that's obvious from his username.

[rickawakeman]

Nothing officially released is allowed on DaD. I love the site and should probably contribute something, given the hundreds of gigs of material I've downloaded over the years.

[paythesnuka]

You don't know what your talking about. Dime shares nothing that is illeagal, in fact anything not conforming to their strict code of allowed material is removed immeadiatly and the person responsible banned either permenantly or a long time out depending on the infraction.

Well, that is not entirely true. Dime doesn't share anything from bands that have a strict no-share policy or have contacted the site and demanded that nothing get shared. It also doesn't share officially released material. But...there is plenty of stuff shared on Dime that don't fall under those categories but are essentially illegal, unless the band specifically says it is OK to share.

It's really is not true to say that nothing shared on DIME is illegal. Anything shared on DIME that has gone up without the consent of the band is essentially illegal.

And, before anyone says that I am a narc and against DIME, I have a +10 GB share ratio there and have donated a few times.

[nycsteve]

Well, that is not entirely true. Dime doesn't share anything from bands that have a strict no-share policy or have contacted the site and demanded that nothing get shared. It also doesn't share officially released material. But...there is plenty of stuff shared on Dime that don't fall under those categories but are essentially illegal, unless the band specifically says it is OK to share.

It's really is not true to say that nothing shared on DIME is illegal. Anything shared on DIME that has gone up without the consent of the band is essentially illegal.

And, before anyone says that I am a narc and against DIME, I have a +10 GB share ratio there and have donated a few times.

Audience recordings are not copywrited and are at best in a grey area , but not illegal. At least that's my understanding.

[ronmac]

^^ Yep, it's a grey area that is still being debated after all these years. If it wasn't, Dime would have been shut down years ago.

[paythesnuka]

Audience recordings are not copywrited and are at best in a grey area , but not illegal. At least that's my understanding.

Audience recordings are not copywrited, but the material on those recordings is, no? I think back to that statement during most sports broadcasts..."Any reproducing of this broadcast without written consent of the [insert team and channel here] is strictly prohibitied..." Is that not the case with bands and musicians?

And then there's recordings of cover bands. If the cover bands are allowed to perform the songs, is it OK to share recordings of the performance? What about a band like King Crimson, which is definitely on the Do Not Distribute list? Can we share recordings of shows of King Crimson tribute bands?

[Gruno]

It's really is not true to say that nothing shared on DIME is illegal. Anything shared on DIME that has gone up without the consent of the band is essentially illegal.

Audience recordings are not copywrited and are at best in a grey area , but not illegal. At least that's my understanding.

Audience recordings are not copywrited, but the material on those recordings is, no? I think back to that statement during most sports broadcasts..."Any reproducing of this broadcast without written consent of the [insert team and channel here] is strictly prohibitied..." Is that not the case with bands and musicians?

Also to add to the equation: if the venue states there is to be no audience recordings (audio/video/etc), then any recordings coming from the audience is illegal. No grey area there at all.

[ronmac]

The grey area is about the free sharing or distribution of the material. But, yes, publishing rights certainly muddies the waters even more.

[GuitarGeek]

A service that is used massively for illegal file sharing and does nothing to stop it

Not true, when artist declares they don't want their music on Dimeadozen, they have it removed. You'll notice, for instance, you never see King Crimson, Todd Rundgren or Allman Brothers Band stuff on there.

[ronmac]

ABB is in favor of trading and recording. Are you sure you have the correct?

[Gruno]

Not true, when artist declares they don't want their music on Dimeadozen, they have it removed.

An artist has to find this website and then inform them to not feature their recordings there?

That's semi-rhetorical, as the process should be Dimeadozen asking the artists if they wish to be featured in their trading community.

[nycsteve]

Audience recordings are not copywrited, but the material on those recordings is, no? I think back to that statement during most sports broadcasts..."Any reproducing of this broadcast without written consent of the [insert team and channel here] is strictly prohibitied..." Is that not the case with bands and musicians?

And then there's recordings of cover bands. If the cover bands are allowed to perform the songs, is it OK to share recordings of the performance? What about a band like King Crimson, which is definitely on the Do Not Distribute list? Can we share recordings of shows of King Crimson tribute bands?

Broadcasts by radio or TV are owned by the broadcaster, different from an audience recording.
A request by a venue not to record or take pictures is more policy than legality. Even so torrenting a file is not the same as the actual act of recording. Plus who was the artist quoted as saying, "your nobody till you've been bootlegged" ? Boots of live shows don't take away sales of legit cds, if anything they add to them.

[AncientChord]

Without a doubt in my opinion Dime is the greatest source for not only progressive rock but for all music genre rarities. And as others have said artist and do not want their material on the site have been afforded not to be there. King Crimson Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson are major examples. I believe that all their downloads are in the public domain category many of them being FM radio broadcast or TV broadcasts, which the public have been recording since time immortal. Also on every download that I've done the information asked you never to share for profit. They offer a treasure trove full of great recordings some in great quality others are limited but worth having if you're a major fan. I personally have many hours worth of great archive material from again not only progressive rock but many other music genres as well. I can't afford much but I'll be happy to help donate to keep their great service going. Long live Dime.

[Dave (in MA)]

ABB is in favor of trading and recording. Are you sure you have the correct?

He has the correct.

[pb2015]

ABB is in favor of trading and recording.

Some taping/trading-friendly artists including the Allmans have requested that their shows not be made available on the site.

[nycsteve]

So how does one donate?