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    Opera thread

    I've seen classical threads, but don't know if I've ever seen a thread devoted entirely to opera.

    I've got to admit there are some opera composers that I never warmed to. Rossini being one of them.

    Some of my favorites are German and Russian operas.

    Modest Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
    Richard Wagner - Tristan und Isolde, Parsifal, The Ring, hell all of his operas.
    Richard Strauss - Elektra
    Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov - the Snow Maiden

    As far as Italian: Puccini's operas are magnificent.

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    Big opera lover here. Some of my favourites:

    Parsifal
    Le Nozze di Figaro
    Boris Godunov
    Elektra
    Madama Butterfly
    Aida...

    Do you have favourite recordings as well?

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    The italian composers are amongst my favourites, Puccini, Verdi etc. I enjoy Rossini's operas - love Guillaume Tell, but also others like L'italiana in Algeri, La Cenerentola and La gazza ladra. The italian operas are generally expressed with an intensity to me like no other, especially the melodramma .

    Other favourites:

    Le Nozze di Figaro
    Elektra
    Carmen
    Tristan und Isolde

    As for favourite recordings I can pick just one for the moment, which was conducted by one of the greatest ever - Arturo Toscanini:

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    As an off-topic note, Choral music as well would make an interesting thread too.
    "Beethoven can write music, thank God, but he can do nothing else on earth. ". Ludwig van Beethoven

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    Although I am a huge classical fan (only 20th century and more recent, and contemporary), I have yet to warm up to opera.

    As an Alban Berg fan, I recently bought the complete 'LuLu' opera, but have not had time to sit down with it yet. I also have Britten's 'War Requiem", which I have heard bits and pieces, and enjoyed what I heard.

    I have heard individual arias from the classic operas, and have enjoyed and appreciated the skill, but if there is any hope for me to really get into opera, it will have to be 20th century and more recent.
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    Lulu is great, but Wozzeck is even better. If you like Berg you sort of know what you are in for musically, but I can't think of an opera that has a more shattering final scene - or maybe even any work of art for that matter.

    That makes it a hard listen/watch - so I can't say it's an opera I love.

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    Some that own on CD:

    Britten-The Turn Of The Screw, brilliant writing for chamber orchestra. The Collins recording re-issued on Naxos is one of the better performances. And the original Peter Grimes conducted by the composer on Decca. Albert Herring on Collins (Naxos re-issue) is also superb!

    Shostakovich-Lady Macbeth Of Metsenk w/ Galina in the lead role on EMI

    Mussorgsky's are all good, even if they were finished by Rimsky-Korsokov.

    Schnittke-Life With An Idiot on Sony

    Schoenberg-Moses Und Aaron by Boulez

    Ligeti-Le Grand Macabre on sony

    Poulenc-Dialogues des Carmelites conducted by Kent Nagano

    Berlioz-Les Troyens, live version led by Sir Colin Davis

    Hindemith-Mathis Der Maler on EMI; Cardillac on Decca; Das Nusch-Nuschi on Wergo

    Janacek- The Cunning Little Vixen, I like the English version by Simon Rattle
    There's also a cheap box set of 5 operas on Decca led by Sir Charles Mackerras. 9 CDs

    For those who want the deluxe editions with libretto, look for used copies. I bought most of mine for 3-5 dollars. Much better than paying 30 bucks. Also check budget labels like Brilliant Classics. They have tons of good stuff really cheap. I have their Prince Igor by Borodin, and Beethoven's Leonore. Otherwise there's lots of cheap, no frills box sets, if you just want cardboard sleeves.
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    Barbara Hannigan is one of the current top vocalists, and very funny.




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    In terms of great 20th C operas, other than Wozzeck and Lulu, I particularly like:

    Bartok's Bluebeard's Castle - the recording by Boulez, the Chicago SO, Jessye Norman and Laszlo Polgar was my first exposure to this and it's outstanding.

    Messiaen's Saint François d'Assise - the greatest composer of the century's greatest work IMO. The Kent Nagano live recording is splendid.

    Birtwistle's Gawain - less ambitious than The Mask of Orpheus but much more profound musically. I've got the Elgar Howarth conducted recording on Collins Classics - not sure if it's still available.

    [Pause to note the above three conductors all did recordings of Zappa's stuff. Hmm.]

    Finally, George Benjamin's Written on Skin. It's 21st C, but IMO it's the best English language opera since Dido and Aeneas. There, I said it. The recording Benjamin conducted is the only one around.

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    I can appreciate the beauty of certain operatic songs as songs in themselves, but I have never particularly loved the opera as a medium of entertainment.

    Being a massive Debussy fan, a few years ago I went to a performance of his opera Pelleas et Melisande. It did not convert me. I enjoyed the orchestral parts between the songs as music for its own sake, but, like all operas I have chanced to see, it seemed a very unnatural and convoluted way to tell a story.

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    Wagner
    Puccini

    That's it.

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    Anything by Wagner....and I mean anything!

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    Tommy, by The Who.

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    Some of my favorite recordings aren't always the critics favorites.

    Wagner - Parsifal - Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic, Peter Hoffman DG
    Verdi - Otello - Karajan, Vienna Philharmonic, Mario del Monaco, London
    Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov - Fedoseyev, USSR Symphony, Alexander Vedernikov, Phillips
    Puccini - La Fanciulla del West - Capuana, Orchestra e coro dell'Accademia di Santa Cecilia, Roma, Tebaldi, London
    Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen, Solti, London

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fracktured View Post
    Some of my favorite recordings aren't always the critics favorites.

    Wagner - Parsifal - Karajan, Berlin Philharmonic, Peter Hoffman DG
    Verdi - Otello - Karajan, Vienna Philharmonic, Mario del Monaco, London
    Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov - Fedoseyev, USSR Symphony, Alexander Vedernikov, Phillips
    Puccini - La Fanciulla del West - Capuana, Orchestra e coro dell'Accademia di Santa Cecilia, Roma, Tebaldi, London
    Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen, Solti, London
    Great recordings to check out here for sure, I love Karajan's interpretations but never listened to Parsifal. Neither that one conducted by the great Solti. Also undoubtly worth checking out Mussorgsky's, I know nothing of his (not even heard his PAAE), but with the URSS Symphonic Orchestra might be a no brainer imo, I have a recording with them of Strauss' Alpine Symphony conducted by Evgeni Svetlanov, which is one of my very favourites, awesome!
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    Now that I'm an aging ninny and have a little free time, I can enjoy me some Opera Some faves, mostly Italian:

    Paisiello: PULCINELLA VENDICATO and LA SERVA PEDRONA
    Mayerbeer: ROBERT LE DIALBE
    Piccinni: CECCHINA
    Dvorak: RUSALKA
    Bellini: Il Pirata
    Donizetti: DON PASQUALE
    Puccini: TURANDOT
    Ferrandini: CANTON IN UTICA
    Peri: EURIDICE
    Monteverdi: RITORNO D'ULISEE IN PATRIA and L'ORFEO and POPPEA
    Gounoud: FAUST
    Respighi: LUCREZIA
    Mercadante: MARIA STUARDA REGINA DI SCOZIA
    Verdi: FALSTAFF and UN BALLO IN MASCHERA
    Gallupi: MONDO ALLA ROVERSA

    Can't share the love for Wagner. In the "War Of The Romantics", I feverishly side with Leipzig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prehensile Pencil View Post
    Dvorak: RUSALKA
    I didn't know this at all, but a friend recently loaned me his blu-ray of Renee Fleming doing this at the Met in NY. What a gorgeous score - and a gorgeous production, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oreb View Post
    I didn't know this at all, but a friend recently loaned me his blu-ray of Renee Fleming doing this at the Met in NY. What a gorgeous score - and a gorgeous production, too.
    I would have liked to seen this production. Me and my brother used to go to the Met every year but haven't gone in quite awhile.



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    I have never sat through an entire opera, but I really enjoy the music from Alexander Borodin's - Prince Igor

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    I always equated opera with professional wrestling -- without the body slams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    I always equated opera with professional wrestling -- without the body slams.
    I don't think there's even a come back for that.

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    I can't listen to opera since Pavarotti died!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fracktured View Post
    I don't think there's even a come back for that.
    I'll bet if I gave you ten plots, and ten character names, you'd be unable to separate Opera from Pro Wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    I'll bet if I gave you ten plots, and ten character names, you'd be unable to separate Opera from Pro Wrestling.
    And you can't seem to separate yourself from stupid comments.

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