To my mind these are mutually exclusive terms. It is either Prog or pop. Same goes for Prog/metal. To my ears Prog/metal is metal.
O.k. have at it.
P.s. Don't even get me started about Prog/Hip Hop.
To my mind these are mutually exclusive terms. It is either Prog or pop. Same goes for Prog/metal. To my ears Prog/metal is metal.
O.k. have at it.
P.s. Don't even get me started about Prog/Hip Hop.
Define "pop".
You're wrong.
Pop is short for popular, which to my mind means accessible. Yes is very accessible, even their proggier pieces. Yes are one of the progenitors of prog. Therefore/QED/&c.
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Don't try your jedi mind tricks on me.Originally Posted by bob_32_116
Nope. I'm not buying it. What music is not accessible ?
well, musicians were doing capital P Progressive things using Rock music elements for a few years before Yes' first Prog album making Yes 'bandwagon jumpers'
but, Yes *is* Prog Pop in that they were one of the Prog artists to get commercial radio play back in the early 70s whereas Mahavishnu Orchestra did not
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
Two words for you, wrong and wrong.
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I have only heard of Yes being referred to as Prog, never prog Pop.well, musicians were doing capital P Progressive things using Rock music elements for a few years before Yes' first Prog album making Yes 'bandwagon jumpers'
but, Yes *is* Prog Pop in that they were one of the Prog artists to get commercial radio play back in the early 70s whereas Mahavishnu Orchestra did not
Interesting, seeing how "Prog" as term did not exist in active use until the 80s. Wonder what the hell they called Yes in 1971.
I also remember hearing on a couple of occasions Yes being referred to as a "rock band", but clearly that won't stand.
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Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
If it did, then there is no distinction between say Gentle Giant and the Bay City Rollers. Not in my universe.
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I don't get it.
No, but then again the very premise of this shithole of a thread appears to be that someone doesn't seem to "get" much in the first place. Wonder whom it might be.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Someone needs his nap.
You're saying you can't define pop then?
My definition of "pop" is the same as the one given above by DustyChalk, but I know some people mean different things by the word. Hence, I asked for YOUR understanding of the word. This was not said in an attempt to cut you down, it was done in the spirit of trying to understand what you are actually saying.
If you want to discuss the issue in a civil manner, I'm up for it. If it's just going to be name-calling, well I have lots of other threads I can read.
What is the fascination with needing to label music?
Yes, I think you're onto something. Please start another thread when you're awake again and ready. Only not as rewarding as this.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Sure I do. Its all good. I thought you were making a joke. The old "what is prog" and how to define it routine. But I mostly agree that Pop music is simply what is popular (at the moment), and what is assessable (meaning that which gets airplay). Going by that, Prog /pop is a virtual impossibility.
Not my labels, I got them from other threads on this very site.
why bother reading it then ?
that got the biggest laugh this site has offered in weeks!
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
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