If you hate Sony, do yourself a favor and buy an Oppo.
If you hate Sony, do yourself a favor and buy an Oppo.
Not a bad idea, but you may think about whether you really need that expensive analog out version. I did consider the Oppo but my receiver has equivalent digital video and necessary digital audio processing with excellent D/As. Inevitably, unless you design the house around the speakers, DSP based calibration will be needed. With my PS3 and my euro Pioneer player, I can play just about everything, but I can't decode HDCDs. Oppos did, but not sure if they still do. I have number of HDCDS by Joni Mitchell and these were mastered so well that they sound good without the decode for a few extra bits.
Stuart Maconie's playing the new remix on his show on BBC 6 Music at 20:00 UK time, 30th November.
That's if you don't mind it at 160kbps.
Hadn't owned a copy of Relayer since my long lost vinyl days; frankly because I found the album deadly dull. Sound quality is certainly improved this time around (though vocals still sound buried to me), but hasn't changed by underlying opinion of the albump sadly.
PS - I have the Oppo BDP93, and it plays just about every disc format you throw at it. No need to buy the analog output version frankly as most surround processors redigitize anyhow.
I'm actually liking all the 2 channel stuff -- the remix, the instrumental remix, the original mix transferred flat, the studio run-throughs, the LP transfers (I have the BluRay with all the trimmings) -- more than the 5.1 remix. Steve Wilson's multichannel mixes choices for Yes have vexed me before (Close to the Edge), and they vex me here. E..g, Moraz almost always in the *rear channels*, even when playing lead?? WHY? And his aversion to 'ping pong' mixing is something he should loosen up about. I would not mind if the opening Rhodes or the drums for "Sound Chaser' really chased around me at least once.
It's odd because he's done such a bang-up job on Jethro Tull (the new Warchild 5.1 mix is great).
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I think people need to compare more closely --or actually compare A/B. They'll find the difference in 'sound effects' during the battle exists, but is not that large. There's still lots of banging and clanging and crashing, and that 'siren'....
One difference I noticed right away, though, happens at the start of Gates....in the measure *just before* before Howe comes in , the original mix has a cool 'zipping' effect that is missing on the remixes. It sounds like there's a hole there now, to me.
There really should be no big difference between the DTS and LPCM, if you match the volume... but that's an endless audiophile argument just waiting to happen.
It has always been a cacophonous album, I would not like a remix that wasn't.
I do wonder if Offord's mix was more compressed (using analog compression) than Wilson's. That would affect the 'punchiness'. Wilson doesn't seem to like using compression.
(btw the live Sound Chaser was previously available on the 'Word Is Live' boxed set.)
The flat transfer of the original 2 track master tapes is the 'final' Relayer to me. (or, if I want to hear vinyl 'warmth', the UK LP transfer). The remixes are an interesting variation.
Steve Wilson is great -- and for Yes, his 'Yes Album' remixes turned out really well -- but all hail Eddie Offord.
well he was more forthcoming than that at least once
http://www.yesfans.com/showthread.ph...=1#post2306394
Yesterday I bought this, and tomorrow I'm going to return it back to the store. The b-ray disc is empty. The CD sounds much worse, then widely critisized Rhino 2005 edition.
I was looking forward to hearing this remix, but I came away underwhelmed. The mix sounds very closed in and doesn't have the sense of depth and openness as the original. Also perhaps too much bass.
If I was in charge of these remix projects I would want to do a mix that was at least totally different from the original. Kind of trying to do a similar mix with modern technology is kind of pointless imo.
More than that, it's a waste. Like I said, the blu ray disc is empty. I mean totally empty.
Followup, I worked with Neil and figured out why the DVD-A wouldn't play on my system, has to do with PTP vs OTP mastering.
"Always ready with the ray of sunshine"
http://http://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/...yer-cdblu-ray/
Don't buy it, people. You can get a spoiled exemplar.
The link is a spoiled exemplar.
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)) I returned my CD-Blu ray edition to the store, got my money back( sum equivalent to 65$), and I'm afraid they're going to ship it back to the sender..
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/ne...u-ray-reissue/
BTW, I tried to listen to the CD..I was astonished how bad it sounds. Recently I picked GG TP&TG by SW - excellent!, and JT War Child box - superb! In case of Relayer, I then put on my old Rhino 2005 remaster, and it sounds much better, than Wilson's new remix..
Yeah, Rhino's issue is not bad, at least by comparison. I gave up bying Relayers, anyway
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