After 40+ Years, Prog Needs Sub-Categories

[KeytroneK]

After viewing the latest Prog Magazine Top 100 list of all time and the various replies, I dare to submit the following.
Progressive music, to me, is anything outside of the box and encompasses all musical genres. What Prog needs is defined sub-categories.
The Prog Magazine list is OK, but omitted other great bands that can be classified as Prog. The Fusion category always seems to get left out in the cold and, to me, there's nothing more progressive than blending different musical styles into a single statement. In fact, all of the classic Prog bands of the early '70's fused folk, classical, blues, jazz, rock and other musical genres to create their new "progressive" sound.
After giving the subcategory thing some thought, I came up with the following:

Prog Classic – Yes, Genesis, KC, et. al. (bombastic epics of yore)
Prog Fusion – Return To Forever, Bruford, Brand X, Ponty, Holdsworth, Zappa, Ozric Tentacles (lots of notes and odd meters)
Prog Metal – DT, Mastodon, Opeth (bombastic epics with lots of notes (aka shred) and detuned chords turned up to 11)
Nu Prog – P Tree, S Wilson, Transatlantic, Flower Kings, N Morse, Sound of Contact, etc. (pop songs with esoteric lyrics, a few weird chord changes, way fewer notes, and the occasional odd meter)
Prog-tronic – Tangerine Dream, Oldfield, Jarre, O’Hearn, Jobson (textural instrumental music, once defined as New Age)

See if you can think of a Prog artist / band that does not fit into one of these categories...

[Poisoned Youth]

Well it might help to point out that






...ah, forget it. This oughta go just dandy.

[mogrooves]

Symph, Canterbury, Zeuhl, -folk, avant-/RIO, space, neo-, proto-, are all generally acknowledged sub-categories of "Prog".

[NogbadTheBad]

Er, ever been to Progarchives or Rateyourmusic?

[KeytroneK]

Er, ever been to Progarchives or Rateyourmusic?

Cool sites. Thanks

[simon moon]

I've been putting prog into sub-genres for decades.

[progeezer]

Just dandy indeed, Sean!

I have 2 sub-genres. Good and Bad.

[Supersonic Scientist]

Symph, Canterbury, Zeuhl, -folk, avant-/RIO, space, neo-, proto-, are all generally acknowledged sub-categories of "Prog".

Word! + Prog-metal and maybe Chamber-Rock.

[dropforge]

Don't forget Progressive Electronic.

[notallwhowander]

I have a list right here...

Pride, Envy, Lust, Dopey, Sleepy, Grumpy, Neptune, Uranus, Murder, False Witness, Idolatry, and Krautrock

[MJBrady]

Prog Classic – Yes, Genesis, KC, et. al. (bombastic epics of yore)
Prog Fusion – Return To Forever, Bruford, Brand X, Ponty, Holdsworth, Zappa, Ozric Tentacles (lots of notes and odd meters)
Prog Metal – DT, Mastodon, Opeth (bombastic epics with lots of notes (aka shred) and detuned chords turned up to 11)
Nu Prog – P Tree, S Wilson, Transatlantic, Flower Kings, N Morse, Sound of Contact, etc. (pop songs with esoteric lyrics, a few weird chord changes, way fewer notes, and the occasional odd meter)
Prog-tronic – Tangerine Dream, Oldfield, Jarre, O’Hearn, Jobson (textural instrumental music, once defined as New Age)

See if you can think of a Prog artist / band that does not fit into one of these categories...

Shirley your not serious?

[JKL2000]

After viewing the latest Prog Magazine Top 100 list of all time and the various replies, I dare to submit the following.
Progressive music, to me, is anything outside of the box and encompasses all musical genres. What Prog needs is defined sub-categories.
The Prog Magazine list is OK, but omitted other great bands that can be classified as Prog. The Fusion category always seems to get left out in the cold and, to me, there's nothing more progressive than blending different musical styles into a single statement. In fact, all of the classic Prog bands of the early '70's fused folk, classical, blues, jazz, rock and other musical genres to create their new "progressive" sound.
After giving the subcategory thing some thought, I came up with the following:

Prog Classic – Yes, Genesis, KC, et. al. (bombastic epics of yore)
Prog Fusion – Return To Forever, Bruford, Brand X, Ponty, Holdsworth, Zappa, Ozric Tentacles (lots of notes and odd meters)
Prog Metal – DT, Mastodon, Opeth (bombastic epics with lots of notes (aka shred) and detuned chords turned up to 11)
Nu Prog – P Tree, S Wilson, Transatlantic, Flower Kings, N Morse, Sound of Contact, etc. (pop songs with esoteric lyrics, a few weird chord changes, way fewer notes, and the occasional odd meter)
Prog-tronic – Tangerine Dream, Oldfield, Jarre, O’Hearn, Jobson (textural instrumental music, once defined as New Age)

See if you can think of a Prog artist / band that does not fit into one of these categories...

Ok, which of those categories would Roger Waters' Amused to Death go in?

[NogbadTheBad]

Ok, which of those categories would Roger Waters' Amused to Death go in?

Or all of Avant, Zeuhl and Krautrock

[battema]

This feels familiar....were you here under a different name on PE 2.0 dropping the same schtick?

[Scott Bails]

Or all of Avant, Zeuhl and Krautrock

Bah! That's not real music, anyway.

[NogbadTheBad]

Bah! That's not real music, anyway.

Steady

[Rarebird]

I just need two categories:
Music I like and music I don't like.

[Firth]

The set of music I like
The set of music I dislike
The set of music you like
The set of music you dislike
The intersection of the sets above
The union of the sets above
The null set

[Baribrotzer]

Bah! That's not real music, anyway.

Double BAH!

Why don't you use your ears like a man, Rollo!

[smcfee]

Double BAH!

Why don't you use your ears like a man, Rollo!

Charles Ives, right?

[Steve F.]

Yes, Ives.

[Steve F.]

The full quote seems to to come in reaction to a man who started hissing at a performance of Carl Ruggles’ piece, “Men and Mountains,” in the early 1930s. Ives turned around and hissed back, “When you hear strong masculine music like this, sit up and USE YOUR EARS LIKE A MAN, you god-damned sissy!"

[Oreb]

Serious question: why?

[JKL2000]

This feels familiar....were you here under a different name on PE 2.0 dropping the same schtick?

Maybe it's an OCD thing.

[Tim35]

There are too many sub genres. People would be confused... People that were new to prog would be intimidated and scared off. A best of list with 20-30 sub genres would take up a whole magazine by itself. That would be TMI.: