“One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.”
I agree, it is the Big Six.
Black Sabbath -70
Deep Purple - 68
Led Zeppelin - 69
Thin Lizzy - 71
UFO - 70
Uriah Heep -70
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Yes
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
ELP
and...King Crimson? Gentle Giant? VdGG?
High Vibration Go On - R.I.P. Chris Squire
whether or not you consider them Prog, Im pretty sure it would be the Moody Blues.
I think it differs from person to person and that person's age & relationship to music/radio at a given period, so for example, if you asked me in 1974 as a 13 year old in London, to name some progressive rock bands I probably would have said:
Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfield, Genesis, ELO, Jethro Tull, Queen.
In 1974 I hadn't actively and knowingly heard anything by or even heard mention of any of the following bands: ELP, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, VdGG.
It's always been the big eleven for me. Or 27.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
H'mmm. Mine would be:
King Crimson
Genesis
Tull
Gentle Giant
Nektar
So whatever.
Cobra handling and cocaine use are a bad mix.
I never understood what the criteria is for coming up with the 'Big whatever'?
Is it fame an popularity? Or quality?
And if there were a god, I think it very unlikely that he would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - Russell
This whole concept originated in the 90s with an article in Progression magazine, in which John Collinge laid it out nicely.
There were a Big 6, and it wasn't all nebulous/malleable/whatever.
I am presuming its based on sales
Me tooOriginally Posted by Esoteric
High Vibration Go On - R.I.P. Chris Squire
Simon, it has always been clear to most of us that the denominating factor was the number of groupies they laid down. This pretty much rules out Genesis, Yes, Tull, ELP, Floyd and Crimso, but seriously elevates Fruupp judging by that pic on the back of Modern Masquerades - and let's not forget Rush with those wonderful silky suits on 2112.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
So here then are the Big NINE!If ya know what I'm sayin
Morrison
Hendrix
Page
Coverdale
Gillan
Roth
I think there are quite a lot of bands around now who will also fall into the 'big' category we just don't know it yet....
That would be a big part of it. The key is the word "big." In a band or musician sense. Not in the "all 6' 5" 275 lbs could play linebacker" sense, or the "Chilli Peppers socks don't fit" sense. So it had to do with a high profile. Ie, sales, airplay, popularity/awareness among the general public, Q rating, etc.
why are all those faces white?
the BIG musicians who experimented with Rock music structures in the first wave of Prog are
Pink Floyd
Tony Williams
Zappa
Crimso
Larry Coryell
Magma
Nucleus
Gentle Giant
Santana
ELP
Herbie Hancock
Egg
Guru Guru
these are all the true grounbdbreakers of Prog music before 1971
all others are Johnny-come-lately
and as you can see, there are musicians from every cultural background there
if you were there you would know that artists using Rock music elements in progressive ways were NOT just from England
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
Only quite. Jerry Lucky used that term - "the big six" - extensively in his book from the late 90s, a book which was erstwhile completely packed with factual errors, cultural innuendo, ungrounded assessments and marred by a general lack of both scholarly theory, analytical perspective and contextualization of any kind. He accentuated those alleged "big six" to be Genesis, Yes, ELP, Tull, Floyd and KCrimson, with the denominating factor being a combination of purpoted "fame" and "influence" - again of course in keeping with commercial sales, yes.
Thus, he also brought forth that worst of "prog" adhering tools of self-interpretation, the retroactive stance allowing for revisionist approaches to history. The fact that Soft Machine, Colosseum, Family, The Moody Blues et al. were enormously influential progressive acts in their day, lost all but its fundamental implication seeing how neither "neo-prog" nor Dream Theater or The Flower Beards were ever really informed thereby.
For the truly "big" progressive acts, I'd vote for those with the most general force of influence on rock *at large*. Out of Lucky's six, arguably only Floyd and KC would remain.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
The OP's drawings show Floyd, Tull(?), ELP, Yes, Crimson, and Genesis.
Sales/airplay is a common criterion. Another is how "Prog" they are - which generally leaves out Floyd, Moody Blues, and often Tull, but tends to add Crimson and Gentle Giant. Still another is long-term influence and continued popularity among fans, which frequently bumps ELP. But if you go for (entirely subjective) artistic quality or "small-p progressiveness", that can bring in all sorts of outliers, like Henry Cow or VDGG or Soft Machine. And Zappa is a perennial outlier - few will deny that he's important, but no one's sure exactly where he fits or whether he does at all.
I always thought "my big 6" referred to something else.
^Zappa never fit in anywhere, I don't think. Even on 'Freak Out' you have doo-wop and 'The Return Of The Son Of Monster Magnet' on the same album. How do you pigeonhole that??
Yes & therefore a Big 8.
Ian
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Back in the *Day* these were it for me:
Genesis
Yes
Kansas
UK
Renaissance
Jethro Tull
Dixie Dregs
Rush (really only because of Jacob's Ladder)
[QUOTE=MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER;283261]why are all those faces white?
Because we're all rayciss, obviously.
High Vibration Go On - R.I.P. Chris Squire
Asian? Native American? African (not -American)? Eastern European? South American?
H'mmm. Seems you have a narrow definition of "every cultural background"
Cobra handling and cocaine use are a bad mix.
Didn't James Coburn get the list from the old man in the cave?
Sleeping at home is killing the hotel business!
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