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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Very interesting

    Do "we" know who would've played in the KJG?
    What details are available are in the Calyx chronology -

    http://www.calyx-canterbury.fr/bands...o/nucleus.html

    You'll see it's all quite confusing, as there are instances of Jenkins still performing with Nucleus up to early May 1972 (this is in fact documented in a YouTube video), although he doesn't appear to have still been a regular member at that point, and the first documented Karl Jenkins Group concerts were in late February (actually it was during this Ronnie Scott's residency that Babbington recorded his guest bowed bass solo on Soft Machine's "As If").

    Not sure whether the KJG line-up was always the same, but for a gig in mid-April 1972 it consisted of KJ, Art Themen, Chris Spedding, Dave MacRae, Jeff Clyne, John Marshall. Interestingly, this has 4 of the founding members of Nucleus, but also, in MacRae, a then-current member.
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    The 5 Rendell/Carr Quintet albums are great, with ‘Shades of Blue’ and ‘Dusk Fire’ in particular being standouts. Also, don’t miss Spedding’s work on Frank Ricotti’s ‘Our Point of View’ which is a vibes-led quartet date from ‘69.
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    BTW, I just saw Spedding live last week as part of Bryan Ferry's current touring band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    ^^^

    Yes great track, but IMHO, the actual MGS's Heart Is A Lotus album is so much better than the Prelude
    I adore Heart is a Lotus but am equally smitten by Troppo and Home Stretch Blues.......Norma Winstone's contribution to all three albums is exceptional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    The 5 Rendell/Carr Quintet albums are great, with ‘Shades of Blue’ and ‘Dusk Fire’ in particular being standouts. Also, don’t miss Spedding’s work on Frank Ricotti’s ‘Our Point of View’ which is a vibes-led quartet date from ‘69.
    The Rendell Carr albums are also available, for those interested, in high res at HDTracks and ProStudioMasters. The sound great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    What details are available are in the Calyx chronology -

    http://www.calyx-canterbury.fr/bands...o/nucleus.html

    You'll see it's all quite confusing, as there are instances of Jenkins still performing with Nucleus up to early May 1972 (this is in fact documented in a YouTube video), although he doesn't appear to have still been a regular member at that point, and the first documented Karl Jenkins Group concerts were in late February (actually it was during this Ronnie Scott's residency that Babbington recorded his guest bowed bass solo on Soft Machine's "As If").

    Not sure whether the KJG line-up was always the same, but for a gig in mid-April 1972 it consisted of KJ, Art Themen, Chris Spedding, Dave MacRae, Jeff Clyne, John Marshall. Interestingly, this has 4 of the founding members of Nucleus, but also, in MacRae, a then-current member.
    Thanks for the info... Had never heard of that, but from your list, the KJG also got cancelled a couple of times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimjack View Post
    The 5 Rendell/Carr Quintet albums are great, with ‘Shades of Blue’ and ‘Dusk Fire’ in particular being standouts. Also, don’t miss Spedding’s work on Frank Ricotti’s ‘Our Point of View’ which is a vibes-led quartet date from ‘69.
    never heard of that one... Will research

    Quote Originally Posted by prestonplatform View Post
    I adore Heart is a Lotus but am equally smitten by Troppo and Home Stretch Blues.......Norma Winstone's contribution to all three albums is exceptional
    Not grreaét on HSB, but Troppo is freat

    Though an acquired taste, Winstone was rather good in those days. Her first solo album Edge Of Time is quite good as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Had never heard of that, but from your list, the KJG also got cancelled a couple of times.
    The ones that got cancelled were in late June, after Karl had joined Soft Machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay.Dee View Post
    I hope there'll be some official live release with Allan Holdsworth in the future. The Westfield College, Hampstead '72 tape on YouTube shows this lineup's live potential, even though the sound quality is not that great.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAC3BIJ1QZU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOiLA9WYGtE
    I have found this one on CD and the sound quality turns out to be suprisingly good, a few tape anomalies notwithstanding. Really cool gig.

    And this is what I have spotted on YouTube recently, which I think has not been mentioned yet: half an hour BBC performance in support for Under the Sun:



    1. New Life
    2. Sarsaparilla
    3. Pastoral Graffiti
    4. Rights of Man

    Ian Carr - Trumpet, Flugelhorn
    Bob Bertles - Alto Saxophone, Flute
    Geoff Castle - Electric Piano, Synthesizer
    Ken Shaw - Guitar
    Roger Sutton - Bass
    Roger Sellers - Drums
    This one and Molde Jazz Festival '74 set would make a great combo.

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