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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Krieger (or Krueger, can't remember the spelling either).
    Seems impossible to know for sure. Seems he was known as Krieger initially, then Krueger or Krüger. I haven't found an explanation as to why the change and which is his real surname.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    What they lacked was a Baumann-like melodic keyboardist, esp. with Froese playing more and more guitar, and that's exactly what they got with Schmoelling
    According to the bio at Voices in the Net, when he joined TD he "couldn't play keyboards all that well, but he had a knack for conjuring up very unusual sounds" and he was "a more intuitively trained artist" who "never had any musical lessons". Other sources claim that he's a classically-trained musician.

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    The only thing I don't like on Cyclone is the lyrics to Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender. It just sounds like Joliffe improvised the vocal during a recording session, and didn't bother revising the words, etc. If I remember correctly, there's just one verse that he repeats several times.

    But the rest of the album, including the vocals and lyrics on Bent Cold Sidewalk, I think are awesome. And his contribution on woodwinds are fantastic. I wish they could have kept going in that direction longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Seems impossible to know for sure. Seems he was known as Krieger initially, then Krueger or Krüger. I haven't found an explanation as to why the change and which is his real surname.
    MyGerman colleagues once explained that the umlaut (tréma in French) can be replaced with an "e" after the letter it sits on
    For ex: My boss' name is Hähner, but his e-mail address spells Haehner

    So Krüger= Krueger... But Krieger is still not explained
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    MyGerman colleagues once explained that the umlaut (tréma in French) can be replaced with an "e" after the letter it sits on
    For ex: My boss' name is Hähner, but his e-mail address spells Haehner
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
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    Ich weiß nicht, dat Sie sprach zu och Deutsche
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    For me, coming as an 80's kid, Schmoelling was the schiznit in TD. I can definitely respect why you folks greatly favor the 70's material and the improvisational nature of the music. I like those records, but they don't resonate with me in the same manner as the stuff they did with Schmoelling (it also is why I love John Carpenter scores, Umberto, and those other 80's synth-heavy soundtrack works). So a double album of those dark, ominous electronic rock textures (and they were definitely more rock than space) as were present on Poland absolutely thrill me. Logos is also good...I just happen to have some passages in Poland (especially Horizons and most of Poland) that are among my faves so it gets the nod.
    It isn't just Schmoelling's compositional prowess that has made the '80-'85 era my favorite of TD's the last three decades. Overall, the best synthesizer sounds TD employed were utilized by that line-up. Yeah, there was little to no Mellotron, but the Mellotron ain't a synth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post

    I agree that "Cyclone" is nowhere near a disaster, but Joliffe's vocals were almost universally hated and his contribution on wind instruments didn't compensate for that.
    I don't know why Joliffe got the bum wrap because Bent Cold Sidewalk is an excellent track. Rising Runner is not a strong track. Madrigal Meridian which gets great praise is one that could use a little editing to make it a great track for me. Not enough development for the length of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    The only thing I don't like on Cyclone is the lyrics to Rising Runner Missed By Endless Sender. It just sounds like Joliffe improvised the vocal during a recording session, and didn't bother revising the words, etc. If I remember correctly, there's just one verse that he repeats several times.

    But the .rest of the album, including the vocals and lyrics on Bent Cold Sidewalk, I think are awesome. And his contribution on woodwinds are fantastic. I wish they could have kept going in that direction longer.
    Exactly! Didn't read you post before I wrote mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    It isn't just Schmoelling's compositional prowess that has made the '80-'85 era my favorite of TD's the last three decades. Overall, the best synthesizer sounds TD employed were utilized by that line-up. Yeah, there was little to no Mellotron, but the Mellotron ain't a synth!
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    I always like listening to the band members' solo output to glean what their contributions to the band were. If you have a chance to get Schmoelling's Wuivend Riet or White Out, they're worth the bucks. Franke's Pacific Coast Highway was a bit of a surprise to me in how melodic it is, but there are some gems on there, too. Baumann's first couple solo albums were good, but Repeat Repeat? Avoid avoid. Sounds like a bad impression of Gary Numan with a German accent.

    And I'm guessing that "Krieger" is more or less an Anglicized spelling of how the ü sounds to an English-speaking ear. My German professor in college always said to form your mouth like a u but then say an e instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    It isn't just Schmoelling's compositional prowess that has made the '80-'85 era my favorite of TD's the last three decades. Overall, the best synthesizer sounds TD employed were utilized by that line-up. Yeah, there was little to no Mellotron, but the Mellotron ain't a synth!
    yup, but it's sampler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    yup, but it's sampler
    Synth tech was taking huge leaps 'round that time, so it was natural for them to focus on that. They'd get prototypes to "test," i.e. play and record albums with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangram View Post
    Madrigal Meridian which gets great praise is one that could use a little editing to make it a great track for me. Not enough development for the length of time.
    The one thing I'd do with Madrigal Meridian is I'd have end with the Clavinet chords. That last little bit of noodling synth, I'd have edited out.

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