This will be interesting to follow.
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Did they ever sue the guys that wrote Cheap Trick's "The Flame"? The opening riff of "The Flame" is very similar to Spirit's "Nature's Way".
Meh.
I'm guessing they are hoping LZ will settle out of court and the family gets a payday. That's not to say they don't deserve it, but it also brings up an interesting question as to how much a "riff", a lead line, a few key lyrics, a singing style, etc. play into why a song became popular.
Zeppelin already had 3 albums to their credit and the song STH is as much about the lyrical content, the epic length (for radio), and the three distinct movements as it is the primary riff.
It also brings into question how much music is not created in a vacuum. Looking back at the late 60s and 70s for example, the distinctiveness and progression of a year or two where you can almost pin down the year something was made is as much of a product of bands copying each other's sound and technique as it was about making interesting music.
WANTED: Sig-worthy quote.
It is blatant, yes, but it is also only a single five-second riff... Two measures if I am counting it out correctly. Just an afterthought in the Spirit song!
If they actually win this case, will every band in history who has played a I IV V IV progression in a song have to pay royalties to the Kingsmen?? Jeez.
I went to college with a guy who was firmly convinced he invented I-IV-V. Of course, he also thought he was the reincarnation of Mozart.
Someone online figured out it's something like 14% of STH - that "stolen" riff. I hear both, and hear where Page made it great, where California's just sounds muddy. All those countermelodies, plus recorder overdubs make for a MUCH better song. And aren't lyrics/vocal melodies the only things that can be legally copywritten as songs? Not riffs? No drum parts like the opening to "Rock And Roll?"
And while we beat this horse to death, here's Dolly Parton's We Used To.
http://youtu.be/5L1jkFQd4yM
Sound familiar?
Bill
She'll be standing on the bar soon
With a fish head and a harpoon
and a fake beard plastered on her brow.
Is this any more off from the original than Lennon's "Come Together," for which he got sued, and lost, for copying Chuck Berry's "You Can't Catch Me"?
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I'm a total Spirit fan, yet this somehow appears to intend for California's son (whom he was rescuing from drowning when he himself was swallowed by the sea) to have his finances secured. Not an unworthy case in itself, but the "StH" ripoff from "Taurus" has been an outspoken thing even longer than I. Anderson's point towards "Hotel California" (from "We Used to Know").
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Oh, this again! Geez, it's just a chord progression; I don't think you can patent them. Richard Rogers used it when he wrote "My Funny Valentine" in 1937. The Beatles used it in "Michelle." Stevie Wonder used it in "Don't You Worry About a Thing."
Sometimes I wish you could patent a chord progression; then we wouldn't have 500 pop songs that use I V vi IV.
This is not nearly as blatant as how they stole, word for word and note for note, "Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You," more or less did the same with "Dazed and Confused." I believe 7 of the 9 songs on the first album had "borrowed bits" on them. They have subsequently had to revise writing credits on many of those songs.
Why do people get all worked into a froth over something like this. Let's all get lawyers and get stupid.
Or Bring It On Home.
Deep Purple will no doubt watch this California court suit with some interest....
Hell, they ain't even old-timey ! - Homer Stokes
I was only commenting on the 1st album. Several examples on LZ2, can't remember anything about LZ3.
The Taurus riff is, at least to my ears, not that much of a ripoff.
However, I didn't think Lennon or Harrison had ripped off Chuck Berry and The Chiffons respectively either.
Don't get me started on Men at Work getting shafted on "Who Can it be Now?"
I do wonder why it has taken over 40 years for the suit to be filed.
"My Sweet Lord" seems pretty blatant to me. John claimed that when George was working on it, they suggested it was "He's So Fine." Now, that being said, John was not one to stick with the facts. He also claimed, when asked if George was working on ATMP as a Beatle that "That all came afterward," which clearly isn't true. In all honesty, I think George squeaked by with an "unintentional plagiarism" judgment.
A few of the words ("Here come a flat-top," for example) and some of the lyrical structure in "Come Together" is a bit close to "You Can't Catch Me." But, I really see them as completely different songs.
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