I intend to continue buying not only CDs but plan on searching out cool vinyl as well. As with books, need the physical media, particularly since album art/packaging possibly play a larger role in the history of prog than other genres.
I intend to continue buying not only CDs but plan on searching out cool vinyl as well. As with books, need the physical media, particularly since album art/packaging possibly play a larger role in the history of prog than other genres.
My condolences.
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Yeah, not to offend anyone but I don't see how any self respecting prog fan can be without the physical medium. If you do downloads only do you at least download album cover images?
Absolutely love the physical product of LPs and CDs. The packaging is a wonderful supplement to the music. Much of my collection carries a reminder of a time and place (where and when I bought it, etc...). Especially the older ones from the collection where nostalgia really kicks in. But some new purchases have that effect too. To me owning digital music files is about as gratifying as owning a painting ...as a .jpg file. My music room (I repurposed the media room) tends to be the most popular in the house with friends, family, neighbors, etc... despite my wife's insistence otherwise. LOL. It looks like a museum to them - and you can see in their eyes the utter fascination of it all.
I've said this many times: When they stop making physical product (LPs or CDs- I even despise CD-Rs except as a sampling tool) is the day I quit buying music. I have plenty here to last a lifetime (much less still buying things I never had). I can always spend my money elsewhere.
This is just my personal preference - and what I would put my money towards. I'm certainly not condemning anyone for going online or digital. I think it's great there are other options that fit different lifestyles and needs.
So, I'm very friendly to digital downloads and moving into the future. But I hate it when segued tracks don't segue in digital playback. Mp3's seem totally incapable of doing this. There's always an annoying little gap or even missing audio from one track to the next.Whenever i buy something as a digital download, I'm driven to cobble individual song files into one long album file, so I don't get that terrible feeling of discontinuity. Track sequencing and the careful judging of the space between tracks are important parts of the construction of an album. One of the very few things I hate about digital media is it its inability to take this into account. It's even worse for classical than it is for prog.
Yes, that drives me absolutely nuts. That's another reason I'm not fond of MP3s -- I can't stand that little momentary hiccup between songs that segue into each other. iTunes allows you to do gapless playback with MP3s, so that you get a smooth transition, but I'm not aware of any other programs that do.
I still enjoy the tactile buzz of hard media, but have no problem working with digital media' as long as it's either lossless compression (FLAC) or WAV. For promotional material I"ll accept 320k MP3, but am about to make a fundamental change n my computing that will likely see me re-rip my entire CD collection (it'll happen over a space of years) to FLAC so I can stream around the house to various devices-systems with good sound ....t I still need 320k AAC for my iPad iPhone/iPods for travel, as I usually need to cart a lot of music with me, and through these devices and with the headphones/earbuds I use, the difference between them and the real deal is fairly insignificant. But at home, though a decent system, I still prefer CD quality or better (when we Reno next year and at the same time upgrade systems in the living room and office, I plan to start enjoying those high res versions I've begun to accumulate.....).
I will never support streaming until they fix the business model and start compensating the musician properly. I've bitched about this elsewhere (and, for some I suspect, more than enough, but one more time) but all I can sa to those of you who stream and nothing else: how do you feel that by doing so, you have seriously cut income paid to e musicians you claim to love?
Also, for those of you who rip your CDs and then sell them....does it occur to you that, while it is true that selling them does not put any money in the artists' hands, by doing so you have effectively allowed one copy of an album to be owned by two people? I can't be the only guy here who, if he gets rid of a CD, removes it from his/her hard drive, can I?
Sorry, folks; this is a really touchy subject for me. AFAIC, streaming is the f&#%cking antichrist of music delivery as it makes a lot of money for everyone but those who actually make the music. And while it's possible to argue the ethics of selling CDs to second hand stores, it's becomes so accepted and, AFAIK, has not been considered to have a serious impact on musicians' livelihoods. Streaming, OTOH, absolutely does, so until the day comes that they fix the model. I am simply not going to participate and would encourage those who claim to care about the musicians who have given them so mucho pleasure throughout their lives to do the same..
Yeah, I'm in agreement with just about everyone who is anti download. Yes, streaming is tough on artists and yes the physical product is best (I refuse to pay for 'air'!). A big reason for me, though, is that physical medium takes up space in my life and makes it harder to forget. I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten about a (paid) download, whereas CDs can be stacked by my player so I can remember to play them.
Another reason is pure discipline; I find myself much easier distracted by the 'instant access' aspect of the iPod and I rarely listen to full albums digitally. With CDs, I'm more apt to let the whole thing play. Yes, I realize I could burn a disc and listen that way, but I'm the geeky type who likes to paw over liner notes. I am much to curious to listen to a download that has zero info about what in listening to.
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I'm with the OP. It's all digital for me. Instant gratification, and saves space and money. Bandcamp, amazon, and emusic are my venues of choice.
My listening habits have somewhat changed the last 5 years, in what concerns CD purchases:
- I stopped buying CDs, unless there is no vinyl issue
- I am purchasing almost exclusively vinyl
- I always skip the download (even if it is paid in combination of a physical purchase)
When they'll stop making physical product it will be "bye-bye new music" for me as well... I could then save my money to take a trip to ashraTom's basement
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My sincere condoleances.... Not just for your collection, but for your music addiction
And solmeday, they'll screw you from your MP3 and other digital files and start ransoming you to keep your access to these streaming sites...
Yves' solution is a more sensible one...
I can understandthe portability issues (which is mainly why I eventually switch from vinyl to CDs), but keeping your hard copies stocked somewhere (away from your divorcing wife, for ex >> right Blah-blah?? ) is the sound alternative to getting rid of everything like Eric did...
Just like books, music is a heavy and cumbersome habit to lug around from address to address, especially if you do it often and far between them, but soon or later the ones who got rid of their solid-state music and books will regret it... (though I don't regret much most of my vinyl collection that disap^peared after my move across the pond)
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Well, I've arranged to have them stocked in my future cryogenic grave ... siffle.gif
I don't nearly buy the amount I did 5 years ago... but I'm probably never shifting to buying downloads
Same with books.
- I'll agree that time is becoming a really hard-to-deal factor, but I won't stoop as low as most of these dudes that have their Ppods blaring inn their ears as soon as they got a minute free-time... (I can understand women using their earphones to isolate themselves from the street/crowd those dudes constantly trying to pick them up, though.)
- Actually I don't miss much looking through stacks of albums anymore... I get quickly tired, because the list of things I'm still looking for is getting very small (whatever's still onit is very rare or OOP for decades)... and most likely too hefty a price if I do find it
- Postage can be an issue, but only if YOU send... Amazon and Syn-Phonic do everything for you if youorder
Thankfully, money isn't much an issue for me anymore (very good wages in the last 10 years), but yes, my crazy spending era in music-related things is a thing of the past. I'm also fairly blasé about new music coming out (I rarely rish out to get a hold of an album, the rare exception being Serge Fiori's new album) , so I'm busier building a safety cushion in case of hard times than spending most of my income.
Indeed...
And like you, the day I will finally move in with my long-standing GF, I'll have my own room for my passions, and little doubt that's where most of my guest will prefer staying in...
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Ashratom's post reflects similar sensibilities to my own. I'm still a junkie collector of vinyl and CD. I'm well aware of the space and clutter issue. But if I'm going to have clutter, living amidst a library of rekkids and CDs and books is nice clutter to have.
I'm fortunate to live in a place with several major universities nearby, so there are still a lot of "boutique" rekkid shops (at least for now) where you can dig and find some nice treasures. I still love the "thrill of the hunt" as it were, and love being surprised by what I can find.
I'm OK with digital (especially lossless), and have many albums in various digital formats, but my iPod is mainly for purposes of convenience when travelling.
I don't do streaming. I've already sacrificed enough of my daily life maintaining my "digital footprint". I understand why people would want to go that way, though. It just isn't for me.
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I prefer buying CDs. Doubt I'll ever go back to vinyl. Too much of an investment to go back to something that's not nearly as convenient as the compact disc. I have no problem with CDrs as I do most of my listening while driving. I have hundreds of CDrs. I'd prefer to have CDrs in the car rather than actual CDs/albums, but I get bored with CDrs and toss 'em after a couple years and make new ones, or I just listen to the actual CDs. Sometimes I just want to hear the actual album from beginning to end, the way it was intended to be heard. Downlods/MP3s: I've purchased many over the years but only because the physical product is not available, or I just want it NOW and don't want to deal with mail delivery, and the waiting, and waiting. Or if there's a special offer like when Amazon had Clockwork Angels for a dollar (the whole album, plus lyrics, art, etc.) as an MP3 download then I'll do that. If it was an album I really loved I'd buy the physical product. Streaming? I'd like to think I'm not some paranoid luddite but the whole "cloud" thing bothers me. It sounds like a damn science fiction film.
I guess you can file this under "baby steps":
I have been S L O W L Y...moving my CD's (and associated booklets/back-tray paperwork) into photo-album-style CD books with plastic slip pockets and scrapping the jewel cases.
I have already digitized all of my CD's and whenever I do buy a new one, I immediately digitized it so I'm always up-to-date. The only reason I'm keeping the physical CD's is so I can play them in the truck. If and when I upgrade the truck stereo to one that has docking capabilities, it will be hard to argue in keeping the CD's then.
My real challenge is finding the time to record my rare vinyl into the computer and clean-up/digitize all of that stuff.
...like I said...baby steps.
I will never again post in the "I will never again post in the Obligatory Purchases Thread!" thread.
I may, however, post in the Obligatory Purchases thread, although it seems a misnomer, since no music purchase is really obligatory.
Let me clarify. As the OP of the Obligatory Most Recent Purchases Thread thread, the word obligatory refers to the thread, and not the purchases themselves. The thread was created in the early days on PE 3 and since no one had posted one, I felt we needed one. And every music forum has one - hence the word 'obligatory'.
Ian Beabout
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colouratura.bandcamp.com
This is me too -- except I listen almost exclusively to Pandora. I stream it in the car via Bluetooth, I stream it at home via my Blu-Ray player, I listen to it on the go on headphones. I have several channels set up which not only play everything I like, but also throw in delightful new discoveries every now and then.
I have purchased some of these discoveries, but find the CDs just sit on the shelf. I'd much rather listen to Pandora.
I have digitized a few hundred of my CDs -- I carry around a thumb drive with 900 British folk-rock tunes on it, for when there's no cell service -- but I've found I much prefer to be surprised by Pandora.
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Define "self respecting prog fan"...
DM, do you consider yourself a "self respecting prog fan"?? Do you think you're seen as one??
Not offended (as I generally agree with your stance on this issue), but not everyone is as geeky or nerdy as you seem to come through on PE forums...
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Hopefully there are many Prog fans who came of age in an era where downloads and streaming were the predominant method for acquiring and enjoying music.Digital Man said:
Yeah, not to offend anyone but I don't see how any self respecting prog fan can be without the physical medium. If you do downloads only do you at least download album cover images?
Most music players have the capability to modify song gaps, including fade in/out, etc. Spotify on shuffle, or even straight album play is great for this.Adrian said:
Yes, that drives me absolutely nuts. That's another reason I'm not fond of MP3s -- I can't stand that little momentary hiccup between songs that segue into each other. iTunes allows you to do gapless playback with MP3s, so that you get a smooth transition, but I'm not aware of any other programs that do.
Sorry you feel this way. I think it's time to recognize there is a new paradigm in what is left of the music business and ALL those who've made a living in the industry in the past need to adjust. Just like other forms of entertainment, TV, Movies, etc. have changed dramatically, and will continue to do so. Most of the musicians I love these days are younger, new bands, primarily in extreme metal and for some odd reason, they seem to have adjusted well to streaming and digital downloads.jkelman said:
I will never support streaming until they fix the business model and start compensating the musician properly. I've bitched about this elsewhere (and, for some I suspect, more than enough, but one more time) but all I can sa to those of you who stream and nothing else: how do you feel that by doing so, you have seriously cut income paid to e musicians you claim to love?
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Over the past two years, I have gone from spending about $100-$150 monthly on albums, to now spending at a rate of about $200-$250 yearly. Almost all music I want can be had for free or nearly so by streaming, the NYC public library, Youtube, or "borrowing" from a friend. I've sold a bunch of things and will sell off more in the future. I don't mind keeping a decent chunk of my stuff, but the criteria for being kept will be fairly strict. I live in an apartment and it just seems like a waste of space to keep a ton of phyiscal copies of music around, when they can essentially be kept around on a hard drive. My days of buying music - by comparison to how I spent a good majority of my music fan life - may not be completely over, but are essentially so.
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