New song from Jon Anderson and the Paul Green Rock Academy.

**Aquatarkus** · 3 Weeks Ago

I find it to be pretty catchy and the video is a lot of fun. I hope it gets played live.

Here is a link to the story: https://www.loudersound.com/news/jon...g-so-limitless

**ronmac** · 3 Weeks Ago

Say what you want about Jon, he seems to never stop making music that isn't total shit.

**bondegezou** · 3 Weeks Ago

I do not understand Anderson's commercial strategy at all. He has a very expensive Patreon on which he releases some material, but he simultaneously undercuts himself by sticking a bunch of new songs on YouTube. He doesn't, however, make these songs available for purchase. I use Any Video Converter to download these songs and stick them on my iPod.* If he stuck them on Bandcamp or iTunes for £1.20, I'd buy 'em. I know he's frustrated with the modern music industry, because he says so repeatedly, but there seem to be better solutions for him than he's using.

* Yes, I still use an iPod. Yes, I am old.

**ronmac** · 3 Weeks Ago

^^ Maybe he simply wants to share his music without having to make money off of everything he does.

**bondegezou** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by ronmac

^^ Maybe he simply wants to share his music without having to make money off of everything he does.

Then why have a very expensive Patreon?

**Frumious B** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by bondegezou

I do not understand Anderson's commercial strategy at all. He has a very expensive Patreon on which he releases some material, but he simultaneously undercuts himself by sticking a bunch of new songs on YouTube. He doesn't, however, make these songs available for purchase. I use Any Video Converter to download these songs and stick them on my iPod.* If he stuck them on Bandcamp or iTunes for £1.20, I'd buy 'em. I know he's frustrated with the modern music industry, because he says so repeatedly, but there seem to be better solutions for him than he's using.

* Yes, I still use an iPod. Yes, I am old.

My guess is that different people give him different advice some of which is contradictory and some of which is just outright bad and that Anderson simply isn’t technologically savvy enough to perceive the problems. It’s especially stupid and frustrating because I feel like if somebody outside of his inner circle who understands the various platforms and how they could be used together as part of an integrated marketing strategy sat down with him for an hour and explained this stuff that both Anderson and his fans would benefit immensely.

**bondegezou** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by Frumious B

My guess is that different people give him different advice some of which is contradictory and some of which is just outright bad and that Anderson simply isn’t technologically savvy enough to perceive the problems. It’s especially stupid and frustrating because I feel like if somebody outside of his inner circle who understands the various platforms and how they could be used together as part of an integrated marketing strategy sat down with him for an hour and explained this stuff that both Anderson and his fans would benefit immensely.

Sound analysis.

**Paulrus** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by Frumious B

I feel like if somebody outside of his inner circle who understands the various platforms and how they could be used together as part of an integrated marketing strategy sat down with him for an hour and explained this stuff that both Anderson and his fans would benefit immensely.

IMO a lot of Jon's financial issues over the years have been because -- unlike Bill Bruford -- he willfully doesn't bother trying to understand any of this stuff. He operates by the old rules of "You're my manager -- you deal with it. Just keep the money flowing." Without the services of a Brian Lane or a Tony Demetriades he's basically like an infant when it comes to this stuff, just chasing after the next bright shiny object.

**Aquatarkus** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by Paulrus

IMO a lot of Jon's financial issues over the years have been because -- unlike Bill Bruford -- he willfully doesn't bother trying to understand any of this stuff. He operates by the old rules of "You're my manager -- you deal with it. Just keep the money flowing." Without the services of a Brian Lane or a Tony Demetriades he's basically like an infant when it comes to this stuff, just chasing after the next bright shiny object.

Sadly true! Musicians like Bruford or David Bowie who are very smart about their money and how to maximize it seem quite rare in the rock world.

**Aquatarkus** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by bondegezou

I do not understand Anderson's commercial strategy at all. He has a very expensive Patreon on which he releases some material, but he simultaneously undercuts himself by sticking a bunch of new songs on YouTube. He doesn't, however, make these songs available for purchase. I use Any Video Converter to download these songs and stick them on my iPod.* If he stuck them on Bandcamp or iTunes for £1.20, I'd buy 'em. I know he's frustrated with the modern music industry, because he says so repeatedly, but there seem to be better solutions for him than he's using.

* Yes, I still use an iPod. Yes, I am old.

You are not alone Henry! I still have an iPod that I keep loaded up with music. I'll use it until it dies! I stream some music from my smartphone but my iPod has a lot more space for my entire library.

I'm old enough to not even know what Patreon is! I agree about Jon and Bandcamp. I love that platform as a way of supporting artists.

**bondegezou** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by Paulrus

IMO a lot of Jon's financial issues over the years have been because -- unlike Bill Bruford -- he willfully doesn't bother trying to understand any of this stuff. He operates by the old rules of "You're my manager -- you deal with it. Just keep the money flowing." Without the services of a Brian Lane or a Tony Demetriades he's basically like an infant when it comes to this stuff, just chasing after the next bright shiny object.

I think he may play dumber than he really is. It allows him to absolve himself of any dirty business, "Oh, it was my manager". It allows him to maintain his ethereal image. He seems to deeply distrust the system and presumes one is always getting screwed (which is quite possibly correct). This means he can be persuaded by cash in hand (because he doesn't trust what should come later). I heard stories of a certain not-very-good record label boss flying over to the US with envelopes of cash to sort problems out with Jon.

**bondegezou** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by Aquatarkus

I'm old enough to not even know what Patreon is!

A generic subscription service whereby "patrons" can pay a regular amount and then get access to material downloaded from the website. Beloved of podcasters and softcore porn stars. This is Jon's: https://www.patreon.com/JonAnderson

This Amanda Palmer's: https://www.patreon.com/amandapalmer She's probably the most famous musician using the platform (and also known for being married to author Neil Gaiman).

**SRS** · 3 Weeks Ago

Has anyone here (or anyone heard of anyone) signed up for his Patreon? What is in the archives (general, select, and gold levels)? Does he actually release stuff frequently here and does he bother with the monthly q&a or private concerts etc, and do the 'surprise gifts' actually appear?

I could see Jon being really into this for about 3 months and then moving on to something else and just sort of forgetting about it.

**moecurlythanu** · 3 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by SRS

I could see Jon being really into this for about 3 months and then moving on to something else and just sort of forgetting about it.

The "shiny object" mentioned above?

**bondegezou** · 2 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by SRS

Has anyone here (or anyone heard of anyone) signed up for his Patreon? What is in the archives (general, select, and gold levels)? Does he actually release stuff frequently here and does he bother with the monthly q&a or private concerts etc, and do the 'surprise gifts' actually appear?

I could see Jon being really into this for about 3 months and then moving on to something else and just sort of forgetting about it.

You can kinda see what's on offer by scrolling down, with each post labelled with what pledge level is needed to unlock it. I've summarised here: http://www.bondegezou.co.uk/wnja.htm#patreon Reports suggest there's some good pieces of music... but enough for those prices? I don't think so.

**Frumious B** · 2 Weeks Ago

Originally Posted by bondegezou

You can kinda see what's on offer by scrolling down, with each post labelled with what pledge level is needed to unlock it. I've summarised here: http://www.bondegezou.co.uk/wnja.htm#patreon Reports suggest there's some good pieces of music... but enough for those prices? I don't think so.

So the downloads are only mp3? That would really make me mad.