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    Hendrix's writing and playing continued to progress well after Chandler left. Electric Ladyland is not rot and Chandler left during those sessions. His problem was that Jimi wasn't going in the direction Chas wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Hendrix's writing and playing continued to progress well after Chandler left. Electric Ladyland is not rot and Chandler left during those sessions. His problem was that Jimi wasn't going in the direction Chas wanted.
    I couldn't agree more. No rot had set in, the Cry of Love tour recordings are testament to this. Jimi's playing had matured and there were no wrecked strats, it was about the music, not the stage act. I have an extensive Hendrix bootleg collection and find my self more often than not listening to the 1970s shows.

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    I have an extensive Hendrix bootleg collection and find my self more often than not listening to the 1970s shows.
    Me, too, bro.
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    Nothing like Hendrix around ever.

    Band of Gypsys - masterpiece !
    Parts of the studio stuff that was released after his death (cry of love, rainbow bridge, war heroes) - outstanding!
    Interesting to hear him jam with Larry Young on Nine to the universe. If anybody died to early... !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Hendrix's writing and playing continued to progress well after Chandler left. Electric Ladyland is not rot and Chandler left during those sessions. His problem was that Jimi wasn't going in the direction Chas wanted.
    To me, "Axis: Bold as Love" was the pinnacle of Jimi's songwriting prowess. I love "Electric Ladyland" too and it had some great tunes on it, but I think it focused more on his playing and less on his song craft. Not complaining, mind you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    cry of love, rainbow bridge, war heroes
    ... which was all culled from what was supposed to be his fourth studio (double) album, "First Rays of the New Rising Sun," finally released as was originally intended in '97. It was largely a return to his r&b roots and there's a decent portion of good stuff, but without Hendrix's input on the mixing and production, it probably pales in comparison to what it would've been. At any rate, I feel pretty certain that the whole r&b thing was a phase and Jimi would've moved on in other musical directions, the likes of which we can only imagine. His untimely death was one of the greatest tragedies in the history of rock music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul1803 View Post
    I couldn't agree more. No rot had set in, the Cry of Love tour recordings are testament to this. Jimi's playing had matured and there were no wrecked strats, it was about the music, not the stage act. I have an extensive Hendrix bootleg collection and find my self more often than not listening to the 1970s shows.
    any "rot" was from outside influences... Jimi's art was progressing ever forward. No "rot" in his art that's for sure!
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Pride View Post
    To me, "Axis: Bold as Love" was the pinnacle of Jimi's songwriting prowess. I love "Electric Ladyland" too and it had some great tunes on it, but I think it focused more on his playing and less on his song craft. Not complaining, mind you!
    Agreed. My personal favorite. But Chas Chandler was still on board then and, apparently the so-called "rot" started with "Electric Ladyland."

    Quote Originally Posted by No Pride View Post
    ... which was all culled from what was supposed to be his fourth studio (double) album, "First Rays of the New Rising Sun," finally released as was originally intended in '97. It was largely a return to his r&b roots and there's a decent portion of good stuff, but without Hendrix's input on the mixing and production, it probably pales in comparison to what it would've been. At any rate, I feel pretty certain that the whole r&b thing was a phase and Jimi would've moved on in other musical directions, the likes of which we can only imagine. His untimely death was one of the greatest tragedies in the history of rock music.
    FRotNS is still great, though. A lot of those songs were, in fact, complete.

    I think Jimi was going in more than one direction. Jamming with the likes of Larry Young and McLaughlin certainly showed his jazz leanings. Buddy Miles et. al showed his funk leanings.

    It's all there. Look at songs like "Dolly Dagger" (jazzy) and "Izabella" (funky). Add in his blues roots and you have Jimi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No Pride View Post
    To me, "Axis: Bold as Love" was the pinnacle of Jimi's songwriting prowess. I love "Electric Ladyland" too and it had some great tunes on it, but I think it focused more on his playing and less on his song craft.
    Yeah, Axis is his most sustained, cohesive effort with regard to the writing, arranging, and execution. His growing ear for and command of the sonic potential of the studio--"produced and directed by..."--marks the real advance on EL, the unsung "House Burning Down" being exemplary.


    "First Rays of the New Rising Sun," finally released as was originally intended in '97. It was largely a return to his r&b roots and there's a decent portion of good stuff, but without Hendrix's input on the mixing and production, it probably pales in comparison to what it would've been.
    This a probably a fair assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mogrooves View Post
    Yeah, Axis is his most sustained, cohesive effort with regard to the writing, arranging, and execution. His growing ear for and command of the sonic potential of the studio--"produced and directed by..."--marks the real advance on EL, the unsung "House Burning Down" being exemplary.
    Four numbers: 1983

    Hearing that piece was one of the big revelations for me, especially on headphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Agreed. My personal favorite. But Chas Chandler was still on board then and, apparently the so-called "rot" started with "Electric Ladyland."



    FRotNS is still great, though. A lot of those songs were, in fact, complete.

    I think Jimi was going in more than one direction. Jamming with the likes of Larry Young and McLaughlin certainly showed his jazz leanings. Buddy Miles et. al showed his funk leanings.

    It's all there. Look at songs like "Dolly Dagger" (jazzy) and "Izabella" (funky). Add in his blues roots and you have Jimi.
    Just listened to The Essential collection (not sure who released this double set) and I guess it always sticks out but the opening riff for Dolly Dagger is identical to the opening riff for Elected (Alice Cooper).. surprised Michael Bruce or Glenn Buxton (who ever wrote that song) didn't take a bit of flack for the direct lift..

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    While I love Electric Ladyland, I think it suffers from "double album sprawl", by that I mean there's 3 solid sides worth of songs and a 4th side's worth of stuff that could probably have been left off *cough* Noel Redding's awful song *cough*.

    A buddy and I took a road trip to Las Vegas last year to see MUSE (who were incredible) and we cranked up Machine Gun from the Band of Gypsys album. That solo is.....is......easily one of the greatest guitar solos ever recorded. After the song was over, we turned off the CD player and I said "What's amazing about that solo is that just when you think it can't get any more insane and intense, it gets more insane and intense". We then put on this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baggy's_Rehearsal_Sessions

    It was the first time I heard it and I really liked it a lot, it made the quick demise of the Band of Gypsys even more baffling and sad.
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    Machine Gun from the Band of Gypsys album. That solo is.....is......easily one of the greatest guitar solos ever recorded. After the song was over, we turned off the CD player and I said "What's amazing about that solo is that just when you think it can't get any more insane and intense, it gets more insane and intense".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Bender View Post
    Machine Gun from the Band of Gypsys album. That solo is.....is......easily one of the greatest guitar solos ever recorded. After the song was over, we turned off the CD player and I said "What's amazing about that solo is that just when you think it can't get any more insane and intense, it gets more insane and intense".
    +1 ditto

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    [QUOTE] Machine Gun from the Band of Gypsys album. That solo is.....is......easily one of the greatest guitar solos ever recorded. After the song was over, we turned off the CD player and I said "What's amazing about that solo is that just when you think it can't get any more insane and intense, it gets more insane and intense". QUOTE]

    In 1974, on a complete whim, I bought this album a few months after I started tinkering around with the GTR...right after this song was over, I ran down stairs and asked my Mom if I could have GTR lessons. She said OK and the rest, as they say, is history...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Hendrix's writing and playing continued to progress well after Chandler left. Electric Ladyland is not rot and Chandler left during those sessions. His problem was that Jimi wasn't going in the direction Chas wanted.
    I thought Chandler left because he was fed up with all the hangers-on that Hendrix had accumulated, and was listening to them rather than to Chas. Which I suppose amounts to much the same thing.

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    I think it was more about Chas losing control in the production room. He, apparently, thought Jimi spent too much time with his songs and was letting too many people into the studio.

    If Chas would have stayed, I'm not sure Electric Ladyland, as we know it, would have happened, because he was impatient with Jimi's experimenting.
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    A new forum member might be somewhat flabbergasted to see a thread entitled "Hendrix with the monkees photo" running to three pages.

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    I prefer the picture of Jimi and the two topless blonde lasses but that's just the way I roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    I prefer the picture of Jimi and the two topless blonde lasses but that's just the way I roll.
    That is a great shot. I remember seeing it on a picture disc.
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