A few clips from 70's British TV (National health Bruford, Hillage )

[Udi Koomran]

National Health

Bruford

Steve Hillage

[Udi Koomran]

Tangerine Dream

Secret Oyster

[Prehensile Pencil]

Cool stuff; But it's a shame that you can clearly HEAR Lindsay Cooper in the NH clip, but there's not a glimpse of her, other than the tip of her bassoon (which remains uncannily stationary) in a couple of Pip's edits. I wonder if she was dubbed later........

The Hillage is nice, too. Who is the 2nd guitarist, though ?

[JJ88]

I doubt it was dubbed later. Listening to the audio commentaries on the 'Old Grey Whistle Test' DVDs- the show where most of these clips come from- most of the cameramen working on shows like this back then weren't exactly rock fans so didn't know what they were dealing with. So you get a camera panning to the drummer when there's a guitar solo or whatever.

[Udi Koomran]

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The Hillage is nice, too. Who is the 2nd guitarist, though ?[/QUOTE]

Christian Boule

[PeterG]

Yay, Bruford in a Boston Bruins shirt!

[calyx]

Cool stuff; But it's a shame that you can clearly HEAR Lindsay Cooper in the NH clip, but there's not a glimpse of her, other than the tip of her bassoon (which remains uncannily stationary) in a couple of Pip's edits. I wonder if she was dubbed later........

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The audio is from a quartet performance (Hull 1977). No Lindsay in there (sadly).
The video, of course, is a montage [this is most obvious whenever Dave Stewart is shown, mostly playing the wrong chord on the wrong keyboard] - there is no footage of NH apart from the famous "Collapso" performance at OGWT in January 1979. This is a mixture of footage from the Bruford OGWT clip and early 1980s In Cahoots.

[progman1975]

The Hillage performance from the Old Grey Whistle is an extra on either Live '77 0r Live '79 DVD....AMAZING

[happytheman]

Jeff Berlin missing from the Bruford band... must have been busy that day...

[calyx]

Jeff Berlin missing from the Bruford band... must have been busy that day...

More likely playing over the pond and too expensive to fly over to the UK for just one TV show... So instead they used a "local" player - Neil Murray.

[Obscured]

Jeff Berlin missing from the Bruford band... must have been busy that day...

Berlin was not in the (Bruford) band yet; Murray was the original bassist.

[happytheman]

Berlin was not in the (Bruford) band yet; Murray was the original bassist.

Hmm.. thought Berlin was on Brufords first solo album..

[Dave (in MA)]

Berlin was not in the (Bruford) band yet; Murray was the original bassist.

This clip was recorded while Bruford and Holdsworth still had another 8 months to go in UK. There was no Bruford band yet; this was an appearance to promote BB's first solo album, and having worked with Murray in National Health, he borrowed him for this session. By the time UK was out of the way and BB was putting together Bruford, Murray was in Whitesnake.

[Dave (in MA)]

Yay, Bruford in a Boston Bruins shirt!

Nonsense. The Bruins play in Bill Bruford shirts.

[happytheman]

This clip was recorded while Bruford and Holdsworth still had another 8 months to go in UK. There was no Bruford band yet; this was an appearance to promote BB's first solo album, and having worked with Murray in National Health, he borrowed him for this session. By the time UK was out of the way and BB was putting together Bruford, Murray was in Whitesnake.

Just looked this up to make sure.. Murray is listed as "additional" bass on Feels Good to Me album

[GuitarGeek]

I doubt it was dubbed later. Listening to the audio commentaries on the 'Old Grey Whistle Test' DVDs- the show where most of these clips come from- most of the cameramen working on shows like this back then weren't exactly rock fans so didn't know what they were dealing with. So you get a camera panning to the drummer when there's a guitar solo or whatever.

It's not the cameramen, it's the director. The cameraman only shows you what the director tells him to show. I'm not sure that it's that they weren't into rock music, so much as they were clueless about music in general. You'd get things like the camera cutting to the bass player during a guitar solo, or if they do show a guitarist during the guitar solo, it's the guy playing rhythm guitar, or cutting the wrong vocalist when the vocals come in or whatever.

[Dave (in MA)]

Peacock is much better on the above clip than on the Rock Goes to College performance.

[calyx]

This clip was recorded while Bruford and Holdsworth still had another 8 months to go in UK. There was no Bruford band yet; this was an appearance to promote BB's first solo album, and having worked with Murray in National Health, he borrowed him for this session. By the time UK was out of the way and BB was putting together Bruford, Murray was in Whitesnake.

Murray did all the preparatory rehearsals for "Feels Good To Me" from April to July 1977. Jeff Berlin was sent a cassette of a demo session they did in May 1977 (where is that tape btw ? - seems Bill B did a very bad job of keeping his recordings, unless he doesn't want us to hear them... there's the April 1975 Record Plant demo with Berlin and Ray Gomez, the December 1978 duo demos with Dave Stewart, the February 1980 trio rehearsals with Stewart and John Clark which produced some never used material... none of that's ever surfaced) and only joined the others a few days prior to the session.

This being said, Berlin was the featured bassist on "Feels Good To Me" and it would have been logical for him to also appear on "OGWT". You wrote that the Bruford Band wasn't yet born. This isn't entirely true. Initially there were plans for live shows in the Fall of '77, when the album was still going to be released in October. But when UK was formed, EG decided to delay the release and cancelled touring plans - which Berlin certainly would have been part of.

To have Murray perform instead made sense, only the "OGWT" thing happened just days after Murray had suddenly quit National Health (by letter !) so it must have been a little awkward between him and Stewart...

[syncopatico]

per the Hillage OGWT, cool to see some footage of post-Tull Clive Bunker: always wondered how 'down-to-earth' Clive felt about playing with such *hippies*. Assuming it was a more enjoyable experience for him(?) than was Bruford's short stint in Gong; since later on in '79, (the three piece version of) Aviator opened up for Hillage on his European tour.

[Beebfader]

I have put Druid's OGWT performance from 1975 up there now too. I figure no one is ever going to see this stuff before we all go to Prog heaven otherwise ! This is way better quality than version which is already up. if anyone has anything they are dying to see again from that era of the OGWT, I just MIGHT have it?

[Polypet]

thanks for those! wonderful