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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    ^ I thought I remembered reading that a couple of guys from Echolyn had been involved with the Syn at some point. Wasn't Chris Squire telling people not to buy one of the Syn albums, because he or someone else who appeared on the album hadn't authorized its release?
    That was an EP that appeared shortly after Squire left. It included a studio song or two that Nardelli completed with Gerard Johnson, plus a bunch of live material that included Squire. It was the latter material that prompted Squire to object, since he hadn't agreed to its release (and I assume wasn't paid). I believe Johnson also tried to block its release, since he also wasn't consulted on it.

  2. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by profusion View Post
    That was an EP that appeared shortly after Squire left. It included a studio song or two that Nardelli completed with Gerard Johnson, plus a bunch of live material that included Squire. It was the latter material that prompted Squire to object, since he hadn't agreed to its release (and I assume wasn't paid). I believe Johnson also tried to block its release, since he also wasn't consulted on it.
    There is nothing new in musicians falling out with each other but was the music any good? The Moon Safari guy says their album with Nardelli is terrific so who cares if Squire and Nardelli are fighting each other. You could say the same about Squire and Jon Anderson, a bit of deja-vu it looks like to me with Squire an habitual offender at neglecting his talent on the back of a fall out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    There is nothing new in musicians falling out with each other but was the music any good? The Moon Safari guy says their album with Nardelli is terrific so who cares if Squire and Nardelli are fighting each other. You could say the same about Squire and Jon Anderson, a bit of deja-vu it looks like to me with Squire an habitual offender at neglecting his talent on the back of a fall out.
    In this case, all signs point to Nardelli as being notoriously difficult to work with. I used to lurk at alt.music.yes and saw him posting over there for a while, and he did not ingratiate himself with a lot of people.

    Of course you're right that difficult people are nothing new in music, art, or any walk of life, and that the music is ultimately where it's at. I thought "Cathedral of Love" was a great song, and I quite liked "Illusion," the one Nardelli did with Peter Banks on the Original Syn album. I haven't heard anything beyond that and Syndestructible, though.

  4. #29
    It's hard to like music if you don't like the musicians who made it. Nardelli has obviously got a big talent but seems to suffer at being generally disliked as a person who easily falls out with people. Syndestructible is still a very good album though.

  5. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    Wasn't Chris Squire telling people not to buy one of the Syn albums, because he or someone else who appeared on the album hadn't authorized its release?
    Yes. That would be the Armistice Day (semi-)live release. He and Alan White took legal action over that album.

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  6. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Mack View Post
    I saw The Syn in Baltimore in 2009. The songs didn't do anything for me, but what a band! Francis Dunnery on guitar, Tom Brislin on keyboards, Paul Ramsey (Echolyn) on drums
    and Brett Kull (Echolyn) on guitar. I really wish this quartet had done their own project apart from the Syn.
    I saw them at the Birchmere with Chris Squire and Alan White in the band.
    NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!

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    Y'all may have seen this posted before, but it always gets me:

    NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!

  8. #33
    So what happened to Armistice Day I thought it had been released in some format?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    So what happened to Armistice Day I thought it had been released in some format?
    I'm surprised that Mr. Nardelli hasn't chimed in yet. Then again, he's been banned on many other forums for his behavior.

  10. #35
    Can't believe nobody's mentioned the latest album Big Sky that featured Tom Brislin, Brett Kull, Paul Ramsey and Francis Dunnery. His vocals might be limited but the songs were pretty strong and the band great.

  11. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by 3RDegree_Robert View Post
    Can't believe nobody's mentioned the latest album Big Sky that featured Tom Brislin, Brett Kull, Paul Ramsey and Francis Dunnery. His vocals might be limited but the songs were pretty strong and the band great.
    Some good material on Big Sky, although I think Syndestructible is stronger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I saw them at the Birchmere with Chris Squire and Alan White in the band.
    So The Syn reunion, which was all my fault, began with Nardelli, Martyn 'Max' Adelman and Peter Banks. Banks brings in Gerard Johnson, but the line-up soon folds. Banks doesn't trust Nardelli and Adelman isn't interested in returning to music. Johnson and Nardelli continue, crafting the beginnings of Syndestructible. Johnson brings in the Stacey brothers and Nardelli brings in Squire. They record the album and play one UK show, but the Staceys, fed up with delays in being paid, exit. There's a plan to tour with Francis Dunnery and Gary Husband, abandoned when Nardelli's promises of tour promotion fall through and too few tickets sell. The band later tour with Squire bringing in White and with Shane Theriot on guitar.

    Nardelli puts out Armistice Day, which kills that line-up. Squire and Johnson are gone, but plan a new project with Paul Stacey. Although this never happens -- Stacey too busy with other work -- writing sessions produce half of what becomes Squackett and two Yes songs. Johnson and Jeremy Stacey are on Chris Squire's Swiss Choir, with J. Stacey staying for Squackett.

    Nardelli assembles a new band with Dunnery and Tom Brislin, plus Brett Kull and Paul Ramsey as sessioners. Touring begins, but is soon abandoned between poor ticket sales and Nardelli not paying the band.

    Nardelli starts work on a new album and hires Moon Safari, which brings us to the present.

    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    So what happened to Armistice Day I thought it had been released in some format?
    It was released, but is now out of print. No-one got paid for it. I think there was one successful legal case against Umbrello, but Umbrello folded without paying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    So The Syn reunion, which was all my fault
    henry, you were instrumental in the formation/reunion of the band?

    on a related note: the entire series of “original syn", “syndestructible” and the corporate identity of umbrello records was aesthetically very pleasing – i really liked the post-modernism of the artwork and logo design. too bad that this did not yield more campaigns and products … it had a very distinct visual quality.

  13. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by iguana View Post
    henry, you were instrumental in the formation/reunion of the band?
    Kind of. Adelman contacted me because of my website, so I got him to do an interview and stuck that online. That prompted an email from Nardelli, who I also then interviewed, and I was able to put Nadelli and Adelman back in touch. That was sort of where things began, but I think Nardelli was interested in doing something anyway. (Interviews at http://www.bondegezou.co.uk/iv/ )

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  14. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    They record the album and play one UK show
    I hadn't realised they only did the one show. I was at the Marquee that night and thoroughly enjoyed it. I remember meeting a rather, shall we say, "relaxed" Mr Squire minutes before they took the stage, and was mightily impressed that he navigated the full set without slip up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlight Caller View Post
    I hadn't realised they only did the one show. I was at the Marquee that night and thoroughly enjoyed it. I remember meeting a rather, shall we say, "relaxed" Mr Squire minutes before they took the stage, and was mightily impressed that he navigated the full set without slip up
    I was there too. Yes, Squire can play brilliantly while very... relaxed.

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  16. #41
    Squire was very "relaxed" at the Syn show at the Birchmere here in DC, too.

  17. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by profusion View Post
    Squire was very "relaxed" at the Syn show at the Birchmere here in DC, too.
    And his girlfriend was hot as shit.
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  18. #43
    Managed to get a copy of Armistice Day and it's rather good. Alan White on drums.

  19. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    Managed to get a copy of Armistice Day and it's rather good. Alan White on drums.
    Alan White on the live tracks; other tracks are with Jeremy Stacey, IIRC.

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  20. #45
    The album credits say plus guest Tom Misselbrook - drums.

  21. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    The album credits say plus guest Tom Misselbrook - drums.
    A friend of Gerard's who played on the one new track, IIRC.

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  22. #47
    Jonas Reingold is producing the Syn/Moon Safari album according to the Syn website www.synmusic.net

  23. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    Jonas Reingold is producing the Syn/Moon Safari album according to the Syn website www.synmusic.net
    The album is called Trustworks. Work began on it in Dec 2010 and it was due in 2011, so approaching Asia Featuring John Payne lateness at this point, if some way to go to match Zamran lateness.

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  24. #49
    The winner by many years has got to be Squire's follow up to Fish Out of Water, so maybe it's a Syn thing. Syndestructable was 40 years in the making!

  25. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by taragon View Post
    The winner by many years has got to be Squire's follow up to Fish Out of Water, so maybe it's a Syn thing. Syndestructable was 40 years in the making!
    I think Squire's reputation in this case is slightly undeserved. Squire only seriously began talking about a follow-up to Fish Out of Water at the end of the 1980s. The album that he was talking about in those terms in interviews through the 1990s was pretty much finished by 1996/7 but only eventually released in 2000, so ~10 years later. 10 years to release an album is pretty ridiculous, but at least the album came out, as Conspiracy (plus 2 songs went to Yes's Open Your Eyes); it's just that by the time the album was released, it wasn't as a solo album and Squire had stopped talking about in terms of being a FOoW follow-up.

    Squire then stopped talking about a second solo album until after the collapse of The Syn, at which point he very quickly released his second solo album, Chris Squire's Swiss Choir, and he talked a bit about another solo album... but then that body of material got re-directed to other projects (mainly Squackett, plus a song on each of the last two Yes albums). As Squire has said, whenever he tries to make a solo album, the material ends up getting re-directed. Of late, he's learnt his lesson and he's said that there can never be a follow-up to FOoW in the sense of an album in the same style, particularly with Andrew Jackman's passing, but that he will continue with solo/non-Yes work of other natures.

    Syndestructible, of course, wasn't actually 40 years in the making. Nardelli may have been sitting on some ideas for a fair while, but the album came together pretty quickly, with the main delay being a financial dispute between Nardelli and the album's producers.

    Zamran is approaching 16 years, while AFJP's Americana is on about 9 years, I think. My other comparison points here include Producers' Made in Basing Street at just under 6 years. The Anderson/Wakeman/Rabin project has now been going for 5 years, with no end in sight. Steve Howe's new solo anthology boxset, out next month, is 14 years late, while he was working on Time for 5 years. Trevor Rabin's Jacaranda took over a decade.

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