Originally Posted by
TerrellMiller
replying to several posts here (I swore I wasn't gonna get dragged back into this, but oh well):
Sputnik said:
Ruby didn't really have any ties to the mob. When he was a child in Chicago he sucked up to a few neighborhood-boss types, true. But I've never seen any evidence that as an adult he had any involvement with organized crime at all. But there is plenty of testimony from people who'd known him for years that he was unstable and prone to get overexcited and go off teh deep end at any time. I think Ruby shot Oswald simply because after all the media coverage and excitement, and after he'd hung around the DPD headquarters all weekend, he reached the point where he couldn't make himself stop, for internal reasons he prolly didn't even understand himself.
One big part of the JFK conspiracy theories is the question of why Oswald was "silenced" so quickly. But I've heard recordings of TV and radio broadcasts that went out even before Oswald shot Tippit, let alone was arrested, speculating that whoever the assassin was, it was unlikely that he would ever be taken alive and might even kill himself rather than be captured; so the reality is that hours before the public even knew who Oswald was, people were expecting that the shooter wouldn't live long. And in fact, when Oswald was caught at the Texas Theater an hour after the assassination, the police had to form a human shield around him to keep the hostile crowd from getting to him.
So the amazing thing isn't that Oswald was "silenced" two days after the assassination, what's actually remarkable is that he even survived that long in the first place.
okay, then...where were the people who were supposed to take him out? Why wasn't there a DPD officer (or somebody masquerading as one) right at the TSBD entrance, ready to rush in and shoot him on sight? Because for your theory to hold up, the people behind the plot would have needed to kill Oswald immediately after he shot JFK, not risk that he'd escape and get captured by the police and get paraded in front of the press and everything else that actually happened that weekend. So where was the "cleaning staff"?
Dave the brave said:
That theory has long been debunked. It was first developed by a Baltimore gunsmith named Howard Donahue in the 80s, and was the basis for a book called Mortal Error written by Bonar Menninger. The book even named the secret service agent (George Hickey, RIP) who allegedly fired the shots. But several photographs and movies taken during the assassination prove conclusively that nobody in the followup car (which was only five feet behind JFK's limo at teh time of the head shot) had even drawn a weapon, let alone pointed one at JFK. It's a complete myth.
Donahue based his "analysis" on guesstimates of the position of JFK from eyeballing stills of the Zapruder film and other photos. He just made a lot of bad estimates, his data inputs were way off. And when teh book was published Hickey sued Donahue and the publisher (St. Martin's Press). The curator of the Sixth Floor Museum arranged a private showing of the Bronson film which proves Donahue's theory to be false in all respects. That was fifteen years ago, but somebody is resurrecting it to make a quick buck now that Hickey is dead and can no longer sue for defamation/libel.
Dan Roth said:
sad that Stone is still clinging to that (Costner's character walked the jury through it during the trial scene in Stone's movie), after at least two extremely precise surveys of Dealey Plaza and extensive 3D modeling of the scene, the limousine, and the two victims have conclusively shown that the single bullet did no such thing. When you watch the movie, the two men standing in for JFK and Connally are facing forward in identical chairs on a level courthouse floor, directly in line with each other. That doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to what actually happened. The limo was headed downhill, Connally was crammed into a little jump seat bolted to the floorboard, lower and further inboard than JFK, and he was turned to his right when he was shot. Single bullet that passed through JFK in a straight line, then started tumbling as it struck Connally in the back, exited his chest, went through his right wrist and then wound up in his left thigh. Absolutely no need for a second bullet, let alone a second source for the bullets.
UneverStephen said:
The front of his head didn't explode. Watch the Zapruder film, and look at the autopsy x-rays and photographs. There was a bullet-sized entrance wound in the top rear of his skull, and a gaping exit wound in the top right rear section. The "back and to the left" thing is complete Hollywood, not how human beings actually respond when they're shot in real life. That was thoroughly debunked long ago but people still cling to their impressions from watching action movies, not real forensic science.
Ironically, one of the leading conspiracy theorists, a videographer named Robert Groden who runs a memorabilia kiosk in Dealey Plaza, was part of the 1998 forensic reenactment. They used laser pointers to backtrack to teh source of the shots, after a very thorough surveying and very precise measurements of the location of the limo and the position of Connally and JFK at the time of the shots. They even made sure to pull back the limbs of the trees in front of the TSBD building, which had grown during the intervening 35 years, to recreate the field of view from teh 6th floor window.
They filmed Groden raving on and on about where the grassy-knoll gunman was who allegedly fired the headshot. Then after everbody agreed on the exact position of JFK and the exact nature of the wounds, they ran the laser pointer and proved conclusively that it was impossible for any of teh shots to have come from anywhere other than from the right rear of the limo. And the real forensic experts on the panel very patiently explained to Groden why his little theories were completely inaccurate and based on fantasy, not reality.
That reenactment (which was improved upon in 2003, this time with 3D computer modeling) showed that it was possible that shots came from teh second floor of the Dal-Tex building across the street and behind the TSBD, but only if the estimated positions of the limo, and JFK's position in it, were pushed right to the extreme edge of teh error-bars of the estimates. In short, only if you fudge the data a little bit. And afaik they never took into account the presence of the followup car (with secret service agents standing on the running boards), which would likely have shielded anybody in the Dal-Text building from a direct line of fire.
So according to very detailed and precise recreations of the assassination, the only possible source for all the shots was the southeast corner window of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building...the sniper's nest in the area where Oswald worked, where shell casings were recovered that were proven to have been fired from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle found on that floor and purchased by Oswald, and the window where several witnesses saw a rifle during the shooting.
Sorry folks, I know it sounds bizarre but Oswald was the only gunman, and there has never been any credible evidence that he had any conspirators. Titanic struck an iceberg in just the wrong way, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island happened because of botched safety drills, Andrea Doria and Stockholm collided because the crews of both ships didn't know how to interpret their newfangled radar scopes, Franz Ferdinand was assassinated because his driver took a wrong turn along a parade route, Lincoln was shot because his sole bodyguard popped off to a pub across the street, the Northeast power blackout ten years ago happened because a couple of trees fell on power lines at the exact wrong place and time...and the 35th President of the United States was gunned down by one loser who couldn't fit in anywhere in life.
it happens, and there's no way to prevent it from happening from time to time. That's just life.
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