Two sides of Peter Banks CD

[happytheman]

Had never heard this album prior to today (and I've only gotten into the first couple of songs.. so bare with me).. Wasn't Peter quoted as saying they middle part of Roundabout had already been worked out during the Time and a Word sessions? Sure enough I had to do a double take during The Falcon / The Bear cut when low and behold there is was.. granted the release date on this says 1973... but it does call the attention to just how much input did Peter have on Roundabout? Is his claim legit.. was this riff just left out of the mix during his Flash days and resurrected for this release..or did he in fact "lift" the riff from Roundabout.. I know sometimes bits of songs sit around for years before they find their way onto albums.. but Peter must have known that releasing this after Fragile was released would in effect leave him subject to suspicion..
What I've heard thus far sounds nice.. trying to figure out what parts are Peter vs. Jan Akkerman..

[bRETT]

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What I've heard thus far sounds nice.. trying to figure out what parts are Peter vs. Jan Akkerman..

The flashier parts on the long jam are pretty much Akkerman. Not that he was necessarily a better player than Banks, but that was only recorded as a warm-up and added to the album when the la bel demanded that both it and "Out of Our Hands" get delivered in a hurry.

[happytheman]

The flashier parts on the long jam are pretty much Akkerman. Not that he was necessarily a better player than Banks, but that was only recorded as a warm-up and added to the album when the la bel demanded that both it and "Out of Our Hands" get delivered in a hurry.

Finally got a chance to do a full run through... very interesting album.. Akkerman influences everywhere for obvious reasons.. but if in fact Peter had a heavy hand in writing... I give him two thumbs up.. Need to back and re-listen to track 5 that was influenced by Hackett and Wetton.. still puzzled by my first question.. if Peter did in fact contribute the Roundabout bit.. he should be given writing credit and his estate should receive back royalties..

[bondegezou]

There are a large number of anomalies in Yes's credits (David Foster says he co-wrote "Yours is No Disgrace"; Moraz should probably have a credit on "Awaken", as should Wakeman; and more). I imagine most of these will never be legally acknowledged. I suspect the same is true of many bands.

I am glad that Banks lived to see a happy resolution of royalties due him as a band member following a case led by Tony Kaye against Brian Lane and Yes (where Yes were, for legal reasons, on the same side as Lane, but individually sympathetic to Kaye/Banks).

Henry

[rapidfirerob]

I discovered this some months back. I love this album! Banks and Akkerman, winner!

[calyx]

David Foster says he co-wrote "Yours is No Disgrace".

What is the source for this claim ?
I'm intrigued by what his exact contribution would have been - I thought this song was basically put together collectively by the 5 members of the group while secluded at a country house, so was Foster around ? Or did the song use existing ideas he and Jon had worked on together previously that were recycled without him actually being present ?

[profusion]

Or did the song use existing ideas he and Jon had worked on together previously that were recycled without him actually being present ?

If it's true, I'm sure this is the story.

It's not weird for unused or unfinished ideas to be recycled in later songwriting sessions. I believe the section of Roundabout that was supposedly floating around during the early Yes days was the chord progression of the verses. It's nothing remarkable, just Em, F#m, G, but the exact cadence is unique, and perhaps that's what Banks was referring to.

[bondegezou]

What is the source for this claim ?
I'm intrigued by what his exact contribution would have been - I thought this song was basically put together collectively by the 5 members of the group while secluded at a country house, so was Foster around ? Or did the song use existing ideas he and Jon had worked on together previously that were recycled without him actually being present ?

I think it's in Foster's (as yet unpublished) autobiography and he's talked about it in an interview. (Sorry, don't have links to hand right now.) He describes writing the core song with Anderson, while both stoned. I presume Yes worked from that when they assembled the track as we know it. (It's possible that Anderson/Foster wrong the core song around the same time as their Time and a Word collaborations, but I do not recall any comment on precise dates.) I see no reason to disbelieve his account.

Henry