Well, JIF thinks they are.We know Wikipedia is the all-seeing authority
Well, JIF thinks they are.We know Wikipedia is the all-seeing authority
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
This definition implies that any recording which is made without authorization is a "bootleg". You can call it a ROIO, or you can call it chipped beef on toast. It doesn't make any difference. Most of the higher quality pre-90's "ROIO's" are from mass-produced bootleg sources anyway.
Last edited by Banquo; 10-29-2013 at 11:14 PM.
Did you not read what I wrote right after it?
By definition, a bootleg doesn't necessarily mean a cash transaction. But, generally, that's how the ROIO "industry" looks at them. There's a lot of gray area that the RIAA deliberately leverages to confuse people. Many traders feel they are within the law, because no money is involved. Those of us who have been collecting ROIOs for the past three-plus decades have always distinguished trades from sales, with sales being bootlegging. I have bought bootlegs, but I traded unofficial recordings. Although the term "bootleg" has been genericised, legally, people are using it to distinguish sold goods from traded goods. The whole download thing has further complicated matters.
I thought that was pretty damned clear.
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
Yep. It was this part that I'm concerned with...
I've been collecting live recordings for four decades. I've never made that distinction. They're all bootlegs. I've bought them and I've sold them. There's this false assumption that if you "trade freely" then you are either doing a solid for the artist or absolving yourself of any legal responsibility. It's all nonsense.
I've been collecting for about two decades and neither have I, other than referring to shows as "live tapes" sometimes. To me, a bootleg is any recording that isn't from an official release. I always assumed the whole ROIO business was something that was cooked up in the early days of the internet to confound the Peter Grant wannabes of the world who made seek to shut down those selling and/or trading their clients' music, even though the recordings at hand aren't, never have been and in most cases never will be appearing on any kind of official release, and therefore have zero impact on the 10% said good would be getting from said clients' earnings.
And certainly when I talk to people about the stuff I have, I say "Oh, I got a Grateful Dead bootleg in the mail the other day", people know what you're talking about. You say "Oh, I got a Grateful Dead ROIO in the mail", nobody knows what that means.
(and of course, anyone who actually gives a damn, these days, would be asking "Why are you still getting bootlegs in the mail? Why don't you move into the 21st century and download them like everyone else does now! )
Last edited by GuitarGeek; 10-30-2013 at 12:51 AM.
Look, almost everyone called it the Paris Studio. I'm sure it was also called the BBC Paris Theatre, but my point stands, in common parlance amongst those going there it was called the Paris Studio, just like the BBC studios in Wood Lane and Shepherds Bush were called Wood Lane Studio and Shepherds Bush Studio not theatre.
Have a look at the titles and text in these
http://retronewser.com/2013/04/the-b...-today-1963-2/
http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90...st-161781.html
Last edited by PeterG; 10-30-2013 at 07:17 AM.
Ah, Guitars 101. One of my favorite sites. Here's a classic:
http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f90...-a-163469.html
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
I guess I misspoke. Yes, we have called them bootlegs all along. But, since the advent of online downloads and trading, the activity has expanded which created a distinction between what is called a bootleg (with money exchanging hands) and what people feel are in that gray area of trading ROIO and demonstration recordings.
Last edited by ronmac; 10-30-2013 at 09:30 AM.
"The White Zone is for loading and unloading only. If you got to load or unload go to the White Zone!"
I've downloaded stuff from Guitars 101 but my main issue with them is they use those dodgy places to download from like Rapidshare. I prefer Traders Den and Dime where I can just torrent.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
No, none at all.
But it is quite common in England, especially in London, for something to have an official name but its visitors call it something else usually due to its location, a previous name or an incident.
One of the most obvious examples is the Labatt's Apollo in Hammermsith, which everyone of an age still calls the Hammersmith Odeon.
Another one is the Chelsea & Westminster Hospital on Fulham road, that older people myself included still call by its old name St. Stephens.
Several London pubs have a local name and an official name.
People refer to me as names I would never use myself.
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