I've got an extra copy of the REfugee record that I'll sell or trade.
I've got an extra copy of the REfugee record that I'll sell or trade.
no. i'm keeping two copies in spite of them
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Wasn't the Nice a 4-piece?
These were the second band I saw live. It was about the fourth gig they played (Bangor Pritchard Jones Hall). They played all of the album and a couple of Nice tunes. They played really well and were very tight. I'd never thought much of Brian Davison's drumming with the Nice, but on that night he was really impressive. Lee Jackson's playing was spot on but his persona was like that of some cheesy cabaret band member. His jacket has had a few mentions, but who remembers the matching trousers? The yellow and red stripes formed a heart shape around his 'gentleman's area', and he told jokes between songs.
The title of Ritt Mickley, incidentally, comes from Patrick's Swiss pronounciation of the word "rhythmically".
I woke up with the "SOMEDAYY YOURE GONNA FEEL THE PAIN" line in my head
I can feel it right now, Mr. Jackson!
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This could be so good until the vocals start..shame!
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While Jackson was a technically very poor singer, some of his timbre actually worked to intent - especially with The Nice but also in his Jackson Heights project.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Interestingly, I was just checking out some Jackson Heights on YT to see if my view was just an isolated event. I thought his voice(which had a lot of reverb) worked better on that project, but I agree there are moments on Refugee I liked, but overall it is distracting enough for me to not listen to the whole album.
I also feel, and I know this may be sacrilege to say, but I felt Patrick Moraz on this album was trying too much to sound like Keith Emerson.
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I was stunned to hear the Nice on the sound system at Trader Joe's this morning. A pretty deep track, too: "Diamond Hard Blue Apples of the Moon" (also covered live by Refugee, so relevant to this thread!), not on any of their original albums. One doesn't often hear the dulcet tones of Lee Jackson in public places.
It wasn't until I was leaving the store that I realized that in an odd coincidence I was wearing a Nice t-shirt from their reunion show in 2002, which I probably haven't worn in years.
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HaHa. Vocals never bothered me either. I LOVE this album. And for the record, Disc 3 is the live Newcastle recording;
TRACKLISTING
DISC ONE
REFUGEE
THE ORIGINAL ALBUM
RE-MASTERED
1. PAPILLON
2. SOMEDAY
3. GRAND CANYON:
1ST MOVEMENT –
THE SOURCE
2ND MOVEMENT – THEME
FOR THE CANYON
3RD MOVEMENT –
THE JOURNEY
4TH MOVEMENT – RAPIDS
5TH MOVEMENT – THE
MIGHTY COLORADO
4. GATE CRASHER
5. RITT MICKLEY
6. CREDO:
1ST MOVEMENT – PRELUDE
2ND MOVEMENT – I BELIEVE
3RD MOVEMENT – THEME
4TH MOVEMENT – LOST
CAUSE
5TH MOVEMENT – AGITATO
6TH MOVEMENT – I BELIEVE
(PART II)
7TH MOVEMENT –
VARIATION
8TH MOVEMENT – MAIN
THEME FINALE
DISC TWO
BBC RADIO ONE IN CONCERT
9TH MAY 1974
1. RITT MICKLEY (BBC IN CONCERT 1974 – PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED)
2. SOMEDAY (BBC IN CONCERT 1974 – PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED)
3. THE GRAND CANYON SUITE
1ST MOVEMENT – THE SOURCE
2ND MOVEMENT – THEME FOR THE
CANYON
3RD MOVEMENT – THE JOURNEY
4TH MOVEMENT – RAPIDS
5TH MOVEMENT – THE MIGHTY
COLORADO
(BBC IN CONCERT 1974 –
PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED)
DISC THREE
LIVE AT NEWCASTLE CITY HALL 16TH JUNE 1974
1. OUTRO – MITT RICKLEY (LIVE 1974)
2. ONE LEFT HANDED PETER PAN (LIVE 1974)
3. THE DIAMOND HARD BLUE APPLES OF THE MOON (LIVE 1974)
4. SOMEDAY (LIVE 1974)
5. PAPILLON (LIVE 1974)
6. SHE BELONGS TO ME (LIVE 1974)
7. THE GRAND CANYON SUITE
1ST MOVEMENT – THE SOURCE
2ND MOVEMENT – THEME FOR
THE CANYON
3RD MOVEMENT – THE JOURNEY
4TH MOVEMENT – RAPIDS
5TH MOVEMENT – THE MIGHTY
COLORADO (LIVE 1974)
8. REFUGEE JAM (LIVE 1974)
The vocals never bothered me, either - have you all HEARD some of prog's singers?
I have the LP with their signatures (bought it in 1980 )
^ Not really all that comparable, IMHO. Hammill, Surkamp and Chapman were all apt singers, technically speaking, with admittedly very peculiar or even idiosyncratic voices. Whereas Jackson simply just couldn't sing for the best of his life. The latter's attempt to do "My Back Pages", for instance (The Nice's version) - this is not an effort of curiosa but of subpar mediocrity.
Other than that, the notion of "bad prog vocalists in general" is more of a myth than anything. There were and are dozens of outstanding singers involved.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Thing is, if he was majorly flat or out of tune, I'm sure it would grate on me, but, for whatever reason, I never even think about it. Hell, now I think about it, I saw the reformed Nice 2 or 3 times in the early 2000s and thought nothing of it. It seems blown out of all proportion to me, though I do get a good laugh out of the grimacing of others.
Oddly enough I just spun a few times Mainhorse last week, and this thread pops back up from the dead
Well Jackson is amongst the worst of them
And/but, the last thing I'd want is a belcher like Aretha or Whitney on my prog records
Well I wouldn't go that far, though the man's ego (along a legendary disputable sense of fashion >> see Refugee's cover) pushed him to be lead singer on 5 nice albums, four JH albums and Refugee, which shows some perseverance, the whole thing on very little talent.
At best, he was tolerable.
True that!!Other than that, the notion of "bad prog vocalists in general" is more of a myth than anything. There were and are dozens of outstanding singers involved.
Has LJ done anything after Refugee?
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
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