Every time I've seen him being interviewed, John Lydon always seemed like such a douche. Maybe it's intentional I don't know. That said I like PIL. The Sex Pistols not so much but I guess it's all just good fun.
Every time I've seen him being interviewed, John Lydon always seemed like such a douche. Maybe it's intentional I don't know. That said I like PIL. The Sex Pistols not so much but I guess it's all just good fun.
Last edited by Digital_Man; 07-22-2013 at 01:16 AM.
Originally Posted by klothos
Actually I had never heard that lame stuff until the early 00's, when it made a return to European radio... The reason why I never heard that before, is that it never got ontpo Canadian airwaves (at least not to my knowledge) >> didn't miss much, really
indeed... but then again, this debate already happened a few months ago... and that's the beauty of PE 3.0, you don't lose it anymore... you just have to find it...
predictable answer from peterG
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
+1
Yea I liked some PIL. Sex Pistols though were bloody awful with the exception of those 2 catchy songs they had - Anarchy in the UK and God Save the Queen.
I agree about Lydon as well, however I think it started out with him as a teenage gimmick, an act to be provocative and enrage society, but at some stage it became a real part of his persona.
Fixed that for ya!predictable answer from Trane
To me, VDGG and Hawkwind weren't typical prog, and that's why punks loved them. Hawkind didn't have any epics and they had sort of a heavy and raw sound. VDGG did have epics, but they also had the raw sound and they weren't flashy. So, maybe that's why punks loved them?
Hawkwind weren't prog. Full stop.
Listen to Hail Of The Mountain Grill. Then, try telling me again that Hawkwind wasn't prog.
I have many times. It isn't prog, not to my ears anyway. Hawkwind came out of the psych-acid-space-folky-festival-rock scene. Most of their early stuff is a mix of spacey hard-psych or folk rock.
I guess we all hear genres differently.
Last edited by PeterG; 07-24-2013 at 05:14 AM. Reason: Schpelin
Psych(except in the case of Robin Trower) was dead in the '70s. Some of the music on Hail Of The Mountain Grill is symphonic(especially with Simon House's violin and mellotron playing).
Gong are considered psych and they were in the seventies. Hawkwind were more of a space rock band. According to Progarchives both are subgenres of prog anyway so.......
FanxYeah and we hear them differently too.
Largely true. But Hawwind (like Gong and Jethro Tull) formed in the 60s and were gigging in the 60s and were very much a folky festival band, it is that background I'm referring to. Compare that to the very different backgrounds and lives of the members of bands like ELP, King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis.
hawkwind had elements that often pushed their sound in to the small p prog territory. warrior on the edge of time has all the elements. and hall too. but you're right peterg, maybe that's not what they started out as, but like many many many bands, they proggified during thos peak prog years. still hawkwind and vdgg are two excellent bands, no matter how you shake it. so if those are the bands that punks like, i give em credit. better taste than a lot of prog fans. ;-P
I don't remember Hawkwind being regarded as anything other than ultra-hippy boring old farts by punks in the 70s and 80s.
Revisionist history and subsequent admissions of personal likings for prog don't alter the fact that the thrill of destruction of all things hippy was regarded as a major feature of punk ideology in late 70s/early 80s Britain. Of course not every punk fan and every punk musician subscribed to this, but it was the standard line and I don't remember any prominent punks challenging it in public (except to some extent Rotten's radio show in 1977, but even he didn't include Floyd or Tull, whom he subsequently admitted liking). It was the public anti-prog line that damaged prog's reputation, which made it much harder for prog acts, especially new ones and less commercial ones, to gain record company support and positive media coverage, and which for decades had prog regarded by orthodox media as a style to be disdained, perhaps more than any other in rock.
Judging by your original song list, I'm guessing you enjoy sitting in dentist's offices, and riding up in down in elevators.
LOL
change dentist for psychologist and elevator for secure hospital transport and you'd be right.
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