"There's only 13 studio albums, right (counting Ummagumma despite a live disc and counting More and Obscured By Clouds)."
Nope. 14. Count 'em. Although, I surely wouldn't disagree with the argument that The Final Cut is a Roger Waters solo album.
Studio albums
1. The Piper at the Gates of Dawn (1967)
2. A Saucerful of Secrets (1968)
3. Soundtrack from the Film More (1969)
4. Ummagumma (studio and live, 1969)
5. Atom Heart Mother (1970)
6. Meddle (1971)
7. Obscured by Clouds (1972)
8. The Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
9. Wish You Were Here (1975)
10. Animals (1977)
11.The Wall (1979)
12. The Final Cut (1983)
13. A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987)
14. The Division Bell (1994)
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Yup, I believe Embryo never reached the "final' stage they wanted it to??? same thing for Cymbalene, despite the More OST version
But even with Embryo on Relics, this wouldn't make it anything more than a compilation (sort of who's Odds & Ends or a Big Meaty & Bouncy-type of album), never a full-fledged album
(but then again I ranked atpo Floyd at Pompeii as their best album
and it fucking rocks my boat.... even the weaker tracks are miles above the end of side-A of Meddle
In my book, classic Floyd era starts with AHM....
Last edited by Trane; 06-28-2013 at 04:47 AM.
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Exactly, and we had to wait for the PF album from the Masters of Rock series in the 70s, which included: Apples & Oranges and Candy and a Currant Bun. Then Works in 83, which included Embryo as the only previously unreleased track. Then all the way up to Shine On, for the rest to be officially released on that digipack singles disc.
Incorrect! It is a known fact amongst older pre-CD Floyd fans that most of Relics was only released on Relics in 71 and not again until decades later. Also another fact to remember is that later LPs often changed the tracklisting of orignal releases. So for example, original copies of Piper don't contain Bike. It was added to new pressings of Piper AFTER the release of Relics. In addition to Bike of course, also only originally on an album (as opposed to singles) i.e. Relics are: Arnold Layne, See Emily Play, Paintbox, Julia Dream, Biding My Time. So a total of 6 songs. How those songs were released in the 90s, thirty years later is totally irrelevant.
Spot on! And I consider neither as a collection album, as they weren't made in that spirit back in the day, they were made to make some unavailable tracks avaialble not to cash in on "greatest hits".
There aren't any differences in songs, only different covers. I've got US, UK, French, Australian, German and Dutch copies - all the same tracks & in the same order.
It's always baffled me too. I think it was because a lot of fans didn't understand the concept. But for me the purchase price was worth it if only for Roger's 2 wonderful tracks Grantchester Meadows & Several Species.....etc.
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For me classic Pink Floyd is Piper (68) to Moon (73), then it morphed into what they should have changed their name to: Waters Maudling Vehicle. That said I like the low-key vibe of The Final Cut. But I've never liked WYWH, Animals or The Wall. Floyd only recovered again with The Division Bell, which I think is great.
Last edited by PeterG; 06-28-2013 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Moon not More ...doh!
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
My top 10 today:
1.
Dark Side of the Moon
2.
Meddle
The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Relics
3.
A Saucerful of Secrets
Ummagumma
Obscured By Clouds
4.
More
The Division Bell
The Final Cut
And that's probalby how he viewed TDB, a sort of revenge with its return to form. However, I like most of it, I think it's a tad unfair to say it only has 2 good tracks. BUT the bottom line certainly is that Roger's solo albums are bloody brilliant - Pros & Cons, Radio KAOS, Amused to Death. I love them all and place them well above WYWH, Animals, The Wall and The Final Cut.
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I blame Wynton, what was the question?
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No idea, we're on the same page here. It's the only classic period Floyd album I never listen it. And with the exception of Fat Old Sun it's bloody awful IMO. That said, I have a live recording of it, which is quite good, but again nothing I listen to. It is simply the quality of the writing that is at fault on AHM, both lyrically and musically, every long-running band has it's own AHM, nothing wrong with that, but admitting it and moving on is the healthiest thing to do for band & fans alike.
It's only unusual if you've never heard it before. On Floyd forums i.e. not prog forums, Waters is considered Satan and so this view is not at all uncommon.
A large amount of Floyd fans don't listen to prog generally & don't consider PF as prog. PF for many, myself included, belongs to classic rock like Thin Lizzy, Zeppelin and Queen. Attendance at any PF gig in the 80s and 90s provided plenty of evidence for that.
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Pink Floyd are prog. Why do you insist on rewriting history, Peter? Bands like Yes and Genesis never thought of themselves as "prog rock". Just like Black Sabbath never thought of themselves as metal. Steve Wilson doesn't think Porcupine Tree is prog. Pretentious lyrics: check. Long, complex, suite-like songs:check. Queen, Led Zepplin, or Thin Lizzy never wrote a twenty minute, multisectional, complex epic. Pink Floyd has many. I think that Pink Floyd were just trying to be cool by distancing themselves from a movement which they help start. Waters also though it was cool to spit on an audience member during the Animals tour. Remember, if it walks like a dog and barks like a dog, then it's a dog.
I understand the the 'Water= Satan' crowd only thinking they recovered from The Wall & The Final Cut, particularly the later, with The Division Bell.
What I don't get is the thinking that there were no good albums between More & Division Bell. I'd argue that most classic Rock fans & general populous would consider DSOTM, WYWH & The Wall the pinnacle of Floyd's output. On RYM, which is clearly not a Prog board, the Meddle through Wall period has by far the most ratings and the highest ratings.
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Wow. Just "wow."
People are still fighting the Waters vs Gilmour fight. It's been how many years?
Move on people.
This is incorrect. "Bike" was never "added" to Piper. It was always included on British pressings, but omitted from the US version (along with a couple of other tracks). Possibly you're thinking of A Nice Pair, which later become the only way to get Piper in the US, and featured the UK track listing.
More was 1969 and was only the third PF album. Are you thinking of Obscured by Clouds (1972)?
Wish You Were Here
Meddle
Atom Heart Mother
Animals
Obscured by Clouds
The Dark Side of the Moon
A Saucerful of Secrets
The Final Cut
The Division Bell
Ummagumma
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I think Pink Floyd occupy a space much closer to Roxy Music, Tangerine Dream or Mars Volta than ELP or Yes. They did psychedelic pieces, atmospheric pieces and had some longer songs, but none of them are particularly complex. I don't think it's totally improper to lump them in with prog if the prog umbrella is to be quite broad, but I don't know that they really belong there.
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