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    Bienvenido de nuevo a Mexico al Rey Carmesi,

    Si, realmente es increible que King Crimson el lejendario grupo progresivo britanico sea tan enormemente popular en Mexico. No solo en la capital del DF sino tambien en otros estados como Jalisco y Nuevo Leon, de nuevo Crimson va poner su estampa en Mexico, ojala que mis paisanos de Guatemala algun dia tengan esa fortuna pero los miembros de la banda ya no son tan jovenes que duren tantos anos tocando! Solo Stick Men han tocado en mi pais. Yo vivia en el DF en 1969 cuando escuche por primera vez los increibles sonidos de Schizoid man por la radio y me dije, que diablos es eso tan agresivo?! Y vi el album de In the Court of the Crimson King por primera vez en discos YOKO donde me fui de espaldas y cuando lo asocie con esa cancion, me dije "tengo que tener ese disco" y desde entonces he comprado todos sus LPs y CDs incluyendo los enormes Box sets. Que disfruten el Mexico otra vez al REY en tierras aztecas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Sooooooooooo, I now would like to find one good live from the Lake-Giles-McD era: knowing that I really wasn't impressed with the sound quality of the first Epitaph boxset (I had borrowed it from my library system some 20 years ago), are there any acceptable sounding live recordings of that first line-up??
    Found the Epitaph I & II (dirt cheap and it was the revised plastic-less version too) and it's better (sonic-wise) that I remembered , though not perfect, but it soothes a,nd quenches my thirst somewhat...

    Should I investigate Epitaph 3 & 4 ... I mean is it more of the same (which it is, of course) or is it somewhat different.

    If not really different, are there other decent live alternatives for the Lake/McD era??
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    If I have Radical Action, Meltdown and Chicago live cds, is the Vienna show necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Found the Epitaph I & II (dirt cheap and it was the revised plastic-less version too) and it's better (sonic-wise) that I remembered , though not perfect, but it soothes a,nd quenches my thirst somewhat...

    Should I investigate Epitaph 3 & 4 ... I mean is it more of the same (which it is, of course) or is it somewhat different.

    If not really different, are there other decent live alternatives for the Lake/McD era??
    I did it and I'm happy/satisfied with Vol 3 & 4: back in the day, Vol 1 & 2 or the set, included a flyer with instructions on how to obtain Volumes 3 and 4 via mail-order, that was the way I got it.

    Next, some more reviews from Rate your Music that may help you Trane:
    https://de.rateyourmusic.com/release...aph/reviews/1/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajaz View Post
    Bienvenido de nuevo a Mexico al Rey Carmesi,

    Si, realmente es increible que King Crimson el lejendario grupo progresivo britanico sea tan enormemente popular en Mexico. No solo en la capital del DF sino tambien en otros estados como Jalisco y Nuevo Leon, de nuevo Crimson va poner su estampa en Mexico, ojala que mis paisanos de Guatemala algun dia tengan esa fortuna pero los miembros de la banda ya no son tan jovenes que duren tantos anos tocando! Solo Stick Men han tocado en mi pais. Yo vivia en el DF en 1969 cuando escuche por primera vez los increibles sonidos de Schizoid man por la radio y me dije, que diablos es eso tan agresivo?! Y vi el album de In the Court of the Crimson King por primera vez en discos YOKO donde me fui de espaldas y cuando lo asocie con esa cancion, me dije "tengo que tener ese disco" y desde entonces he comprado todos sus LPs y CDs incluyendo los enormes Box sets. Que disfruten el Mexico otra vez al REY en tierras aztecas!

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    Pura vida, gracias por tu comentario!!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Found the Epitaph I & II (dirt cheap and it was the revised plastic-less version too) and it's better (sonic-wise) that I remembered , though not perfect, but it soothes a,nd quenches my thirst somewhat...

    Should I investigate Epitaph 3 & 4 ... I mean is it more of the same (which it is, of course) or is it somewhat different.

    If not really different, are there other decent live alternatives for the Lake/McD era??
    Supposedly there's a "Complete 1969 Recordings" box set coming in October, so you might want to wait a few months and see what's in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCC View Post
    I did it and I'm happy/satisfied with Vol 3 & 4: back in the day, Vol 1 & 2 or the set, included a flyer with instructions on how to obtain Volumes 3 and 4 via mail-order, that was the way I got it.

    Next, some more reviews from Rate your Music that may help you Trane:
    https://de.rateyourmusic.com/release...aph/reviews/1/
    thanks

    I seem to remember a boxset with all four discs, which I'd passed upon given that the BBC tapes version of Schizoid and Bearings were atrocious some 20 years later, they haven't bettered, but I've become more lenient)

    Quote Originally Posted by dfan View Post
    Supposedly there's a "Complete 1969 Recordings" box set coming in October, so you might want to wait a few months and see what's in that.
    yeah, maybe I should've found this Epitaph four months from now and may have saved whatever pennies I spent for Epitaph 1 & 2.
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    If I have Radical Action, Meltdown and Chicago live cds, is the Vienna show necessary?
    If you're not a completest who wants to own everything they release (I am), then I'd say just check the set lists and see if there's anything on Vienna that isn't on the others that you want to own. I don't remember offhand - I don't think there is, except Fracture - but if you want Fracture, Mexico City is a more exciting release, and it also has Breathless and Moonchild.

    I would not get Vienna just for the improvs on disc three. They're kind of just filler.
    Haven't been around much lately. Should probably mention while I was away, I recorded this epic ambient guitar post-rock jam band EP.

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    For the record, the new expanded edition of the Audio Diary box has a fifth CD from 2018 shows, including versions of "Bolero" and "Cadence and Cascade", otherwise unavailable in their recent live incarnations (although I seem to remember there was a free DGM download of the latter).
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    On the fifth CD of the Audio Diary, "Bolero" is the only unreleased piece, the rest are all available as downloads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemeat View Post
    On the fifth CD of the Audio Diary, "Bolero" is the only unreleased piece, the rest are all available as downloads.
    That's more or less what I said, except I wasn't sure whether "Cadence" was the same version that had been available as a download. In any case, that's its debut on CD - which makes a difference to some people, although not to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unclemeat View Post
    On the fifth CD of the Audio Diary, "Bolero" is the only unreleased piece, the rest are all available as downloads.
    Is the 2019 tour Audio Diary, a 5-disc expanded version of the 4-disc 2018 tour Audio Diary?
    I got the information on the fifth disc above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    That's more or less what I said, except I wasn't sure whether "Cadence" was the same version that had been available as a download. In any case, that's its debut on CD - which makes a difference to some people, although not to me.
    Radical 1 is also unreleased so far unless on the audio diary 2014-2018, at least as it appears on that. starting the fall 2017 tour they altered the arrangement and extended the length of radical 1 to make it almost inrecognizable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
    If you're not a completest who wants to own everything they release (I am), then I'd say just check the set lists and see if there's anything on Vienna that isn't on the others that you want to own. I don't remember offhand - I don't think there is, except Fracture - but if you want Fracture, Mexico City is a more exciting release, and it also has Breathless and Moonchild.

    I would not get Vienna just for the improvs on disc three. They're kind of just filler.
    If I can get it for a good deal, I'll pick it up.
    Thanks

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    Why have I never heard the phrase "Audio Diary" before this discussion? What is this Audio Diary you are speaking of?
    Haven't been around much lately. Should probably mention while I was away, I recorded this epic ambient guitar post-rock jam band EP.

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    (I'm reading up on it now. No idea how this completely passed me by)
    Haven't been around much lately. Should probably mention while I was away, I recorded this epic ambient guitar post-rock jam band EP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCC View Post
    I did it and I'm happy/satisfied with Vol 3 & 4: back in the day, Vol 1 & 2 or the set, included a flyer with instructions on how to obtain Volumes 3 and 4 via mail-order, that was the way I got it.
    Mmmhhh!!!!... I finally located Aymeric's book on Crimson, which I'd lost in the lest months

    According to him (and I see no reason not to believe him), Epitath 3 & 4 are sonically unsalvageable
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Mmmhhh!!!!... I finally located Aymeric's book on Crimson, which I'd lost in the lest months

    According to him (and I see no reason not to believe him), Epitath 3 & 4 are sonically unsalvageable
    That's not exactly what I wrote...

    Here's what I wrote (sorry for the rough translation) :

    (1) "[parts are] well below audiophile standards (which is why CDs n3 and 4 were only made available via mail order)..."

    (2) "while the two optional extra performances - the August 9, 1969 Plumpton gig in its entirety and Chesterfield Jazz Club on September 7, 1969 - are intended, on the basis of their poor sound quality, for the most persistent, they are nevertheless much more than red meat thrown at completists. First of all, the rawer sound adds significant extra energy to the most muscular tracks, most notably "Schizoid Man", and is actually a better representation than the American tapes of the band's more visceral side."
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    That's not exactly what I wrote...

    Here's what I wrote (sorry for the rough translation) :

    (1) "[parts are] well below audiophile standards (which is why CDs n3 and 4 were only made available via mail order)..."

    (2) "while the two optional extra performances - the August 9, 1969 Plumpton gig in its entirety and Chesterfield Jazz Club on September 7, 1969 - are intended, on the basis of their poor sound quality, for the most persistent, they are nevertheless much more than red meat thrown at completists. First of all, the rawer sound adds significant extra energy to the most muscular tracks, most notably "Schizoid Man", and is actually a better representation than the American tapes of the band's more visceral side."

    Wow that's completely different from "sonically unlistenable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Seen this yet?
    Fantastic arrangement/performance. Also nice to see an audience actually listening without holding up their bloody iPhones. Thx Sean for this.
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    Almost ready to resume their 50th anniversary tour in Mexico City tonight in the first out of 4 nights at the Metropolitan!!!

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    If you can't read Spanish, use the Google translate page. It is quite interesting to read this review of the first concert of leg II and how Mexican fans got 10 King Crimson concerts in less than two years. Warning spoiler alert! set list at end of article, great pics too:

    https://www.sopitas.com/musica/king-...olitan-resena/
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    Hunh. I assume "Net" is another new piece...
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