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    The Flower Kings studio albums listening thread

    It's time for my annual listen of the entire TFK studio album discography in chronological order. I will take the CDs with me while driving my car each day and give each one a full run-through or two, then post my thoughts here (which will take several days between albums). We open with the first album which was actually a Roine Stolt "solo" album called "The Flower King".

    After 2 listens, I find I still love it as much as the first time I heard it. A solid 5 stars. Much of what is here would be a template for later albums while other aspects of the sound would develop over time. For example, Hasse Froberg only makes a vocal appearance on the magnificent title track (and the closing reprise of the title theme, called "Scanning the Greenhouse"). I know for some listeners that's a good thing but I always like a good balance of Hasse/Roine vocals on TFK albums. The wacky percussion/sound effects of Hasse Bruniesson are barely evident, in fact I was surprised to see from reading the liner notes that he split the main drumming duties with Jamie Salazar. I always assumed Salazar did all the drumming. There's also very few "big heavy riff" parts that would appear more often in later albums. The guitar work and tone -- beautiful. I also noticed bass pedals which I never heard before, probably because I've always owned cheap stereo equipment. Not that my car stereo is top-of-the-line either but for some reason I can hear them now in my car.

    As always with TFK albums, I'm never quite sure where I am in a song. Sometimes a song sounds like it ended and a new one has started but it turns out to be still part of the same song. It's crazy that I love a band this much and you could drop me into the middle of a song and I couldn't even tell you which song it is half the time. I guess that's partly a symptom of how I listen to music now; it was different as a youngster in the 70's when you could curl up with an album in your room and absorb it and look at the cover and liner notes. Now I listen while doing something else, usually driving, and I'm not studying the CD case so I often don't know the titles of songs, even with bands other than TFK. Even so, it's not a bad thing with TFK since I just love their sound and the good feeling I get from it, regardless of whether I know which song I'm listening to at the moment.

    Your thoughts on the debut album?

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    Hey, cool idea! I do things like this often, although not annually, just when the mood strikes me and I get in 'phases'. Anyway, I love this album, probably ranks in the upper-middle part of the discography. "Humanizzimo" is a favourite, and the title track is great although the next album's title track is even better.
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    One of my favorite songs, when I first heard this, it was a beacon in the dark night of the 80's for a prog guy like me. Things really started to turn in a much better direction musically, at least for me. Still, I too miss the hours and hours of listening to albums with covers and lyrics in the late 60's early 70's. How was there possibly that much time in a day.

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    This one is still right near the top for me. The title track just captures everything about the band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Dreamer View Post
    As always with TFK albums, I'm never quite sure where I am in a song. Sometimes a song sounds like it ended and a new one has started but it turns out to be still part of the same song. It's crazy that I love a band this much and you could drop me into the middle of a song and I couldn't even tell you which song it is half the time.
    This happens a lot with this band for me as well, except for Paradox Hotel. But I do like this one, might be my second fave Stolt/TFK ever.
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    I would like to complete my Flower Kings collection. What is the entire TFK studio album discography in chronological order? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt. Pleasant Farm View Post
    I would like to complete my Flower Kings collection. What is the entire TFK studio album discography in chronological order? Thanks
    1994 The Flower King

    Released: 1994
    Roine Stolt solo album
    Single CD
    Special artwork edition (single CD)

    1995 Back in the World of Adventures

    Released: 1995
    Single CD

    1996 Retropolis

    Released: 1996

    1997 Stardust We Are

    Released: 1997
    Double CD

    1999 Flower Power

    Released: Nov 16, 1999
    Double CD
    Japanese edition includes bonus tracks

    2000 Space Revolver

    Released: July 4, 2000
    Single CD
    Japanese edition (double CD) includes 5 bonus tracks

    2001 The Rainmaker

    Released: September 18, 2001
    Single CD
    Special limited edition (double CD) includes 6 bonus tracks + interactive section

    2002 Unfold the Future

    Released: November 5, 2002
    Double CD
    Limited edition (double CD digipack) includes 1 bonus track

    2004 Adam & Eve

    Released: August 3, 2004
    Single CD
    Japanese edition includes bonus tracks (double CD)

    2006 Paradox Hotel

    Released: April 4, 2006
    Double CD

    2007 The Sum of No Evil

    Released: September 25, 2007
    Single CD
    Special limited edition (double CD) includes 3 bonus tracks

    2012 Banks of Eden

    Released: June 18, 2012
    Single CD
    Special limited edition (double CD and double vinyl) includes 4 bonus track
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    Are the fan club cd 's rare i.e. are those songs available anywhere else ? They came with the fan club magazine with each issue signed by a different member of the band !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    Are the fan cd 's rare i.e. are those songs available anywhere else ?
    "Welcome To Paradise", which was on the 2002 fan club CD, later appeared on the Karmakanic debut.

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    Love the solo around 6.01!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLongshot View Post
    "Welcome To Paradise", which was on the 2002 fan club CD, later appeared on the Karmakanic debut.
    Thanx , didnt know that! So the FK version is unavailable elsewhere ? I have these fan club mags & CD's somewhere as i use to subscribe !

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    Great "debut". The title track is classic, and I love tracks 2 and 3 a lot too. Those first 3 tracks are my favorites. Good time to pull this one out, too.

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    Amazing songs, I'll have to buy this album when I have the time/money. My full Flower kings collection is about half-way there...
    This is really a big piece to what I think the flower kings are and Roine Stolt. It's kind of a benchmark for the latter albums. Surprisingly they've managed to keep up albums at about the same musicality/quality as this one and keep on composing. Roine is a one of a kind composer and his work definitively deserves many listens.

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    Next up... BACK IN THE WORLD OF ADVENTURES.

    The first few TFK albums have always been a bit of a blur to me. I got on board when Flower Power was released in '99 and immediately bought the 4 previous albums, which meant I had a TON of TFK to try to absorb all at once. Even after years of listening I have a hard time remembering which songs are on which album!

    I guess because of this "blur" factor I had never noticed that there's no Hasse Froberg AT ALL on this album! Even though I miss what he brings to the TFK pallette, this is an excellent record nonetheless. No long epics with only the title track and the closing number, " Big Puzzle" clocking in at 13+ minutes, so the album has a concise feel compared to some of their double albums. The title track and "Go West Judas" both have the TFK "big heavy riff". The melodies are good and while the album doesn't have as much guitar blazing as others, it's still excellent when it appears. The guitar solo that comes in at the final two minutes of "Big Puzzle" is incredible and leads back into that great "two worlds, two lives" chorus. What an ending!

    Roine's voice has a smoky quality and he sounds like John Wetton, and there's even a brief COTKC quote in "Go West Judas". I also noticed a guitar line in the instrumental "Atomic Prince" that was reused later in "The Truth Will Set You Free." Atomic Prince sorts of drifts off and ends with an acoustic guitar solo; another of those songs where they just tack two things together and you're not sure if it's a new song starting. "Train to Nowhere" and "My Cosmic Lover" are good shorter songs and there are more instrumentals with "Theme for a Hero" and "Oblivion Road" (which has a free-form "Unforld the Future" vibe to it, with percussion from Hasse Bruniusson) as well as two more "cinematic" instrumentals in "Temple of the Snake" and "The Wonder Wheel." So half of the 10 songs on the album are sans vocals.

    I never thought Michael Stolt's bass playing was remarkable, especially compared to what Jonas Reingold brought to the band, but he's more than adequate on this album with a nice crunchy tone. There is also the usual smattering of Ulf Wallander on sax on 3 tracks.

    I currently rate this one a 4.7 out of 5 stars. Great stuff!

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    ...and of course the title track...

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    "Back in the World of Adventures" is a wonderful song. I quite like the "Magnificent Seven"-esque melody in the middle and the end.

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    Excellent album from beginning to end... one of the heavyweights of the prog revival of the 90s - I remember being very impressed by it then and I still am now. "Big Puzzle" was often the opening song in my TFK playlists, long before iPods.
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    Up next we have the third studio album, "Retropolis" from 1996. There was a thread on here a while back about "companion albums", and this one and "Back In the World of Adventures" sound like they go together. Like BITWOA, it's another single TFK album with no 20-minute epics. The two longest songs are 11 and 10 minutes. Hasse Froberg is still a bit player/guest at this point in the band's history, appearing on only two songs and having lead parts on one. Like BITWOA, half of the ten tunes are instrumentals. And Roine still sounds like John Wetton. But no "big heavy riff" tunes here!

    Unusually, the title track/opening track is an instrumental and its the longest track as well. Features some blazing guitar soloing and then veers off into a part that sounds like "Soon" from "Relayer", then some weirdness and back to the main theme. In typical TFK form it sounds like the song is over and then an acoustic guitar comes for about a minute so I assume its the beginning of the next song and had to check the CD player to see it was still part of "Retropolis".

    "Rhythm of the Sea" is a moody vocal piece, followed by the 10-minute showpiece, "There is More to This World", which encapsulates everything good about TFK. A positive upbeat message, just a beautiful tune, especially the part with Hasse singing lead. I also like the instrumental break in the middle.

    "Romancing the City" is a brief piano interlude that leads into the instrumental "The Melting Pot" featuring the sax. Two vocal tunes follow, "Silent Sorrow" and "The Judas Kiss". I don't care for the chirpy chorus of Silent Sorrow but I do like the 7/4 instrumental break in the middle. "Judas Kiss" is okay, I do like the instrumental outro. "Retropolis by Night" is a 3-minute instrumental with mostly percolating electronic sounds, a skipper.

    "Flora Majora" is an invigorating instrumental that quotes both KOTCK and the "Scanning the Greenhouse" melody from the first album. "The Road Back Home" ties the whole album together, a nice 9-minute vocal closer.

    This is an album I haven't reached for much in recent years and I'm glad I got reacquainted with it, listened to it about 4 times through. Not in my top tier of TFK albums but worth having even if just for "More Than This World". A few tunes I'm lukewarm about but there are certainly enough enjoyable parts throughout the whole album. 4.3 stars out of 5. I don't think any TFK album is going to rate lower than that!
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    Yep, "There is More to This World" is a great tune, one of my faves. I also really love the Judas Kiss. I don't really remember most of the rest of the stuff on this album though, I should give it another listen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Dreamer View Post
    1994 The Flower King

    Released: 1994
    Roine Stolt solo album
    Single CD
    Special artwork edition (single CD)

    1995 Back in the World of Adventures

    Released: 1995
    Single CD

    1996 Retropolis

    Released: 1996

    1997 Stardust We Are

    Released: 1997
    Double CD

    1999 Flower Power

    Released: Nov 16, 1999
    Double CD
    Japanese edition includes bonus tracks

    2000 Space Revolver

    Released: July 4, 2000
    Single CD
    Japanese edition (double CD) includes 5 bonus tracks

    2001 The Rainmaker

    Released: September 18, 2001
    Single CD
    Special limited edition (double CD) includes 6 bonus tracks + interactive section

    2002 Unfold the Future

    Released: November 5, 2002
    Double CD
    Limited edition (double CD digipack) includes 1 bonus track

    2004 Adam & Eve

    Released: August 3, 2004
    Single CD
    Japanese edition includes bonus tracks (double CD)

    2006 Paradox Hotel

    Released: April 4, 2006
    Double CD

    2007 The Sum of No Evil

    Released: September 25, 2007
    Single CD
    Special limited edition (double CD) includes 3 bonus tracks

    2012 Banks of Eden

    Released: June 18, 2012
    Single CD
    Special limited edition (double CD and double vinyl) includes 4 bonus track
    I own everything but have let most of them languish over the past few years. I didn't really like Banks of Eden too much but there's many highlights in their great career. Can hardly wait to see TFK in a few days in Quebec City!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Dreamer View Post
    "Judas Kiss" is okay, I do like the instrumental outro.
    That guitarsolo and bombastic keys kill, but the dramatic / theatrical delivery may pull some people off. Easily one of my favorite FK songs. I stand pretty alone in that, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smörgåsbord View Post
    That guitarsolo and bombastic keys kill, but the dramatic / theatrical delivery may pull some people off. Easily one of my favorite FK songs. I stand pretty alone in that, I guess.
    No, not alone, I said I love that one too.
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    I do the same thing with The Flower Kings (and a few other bands). I find I notice the natural progression of bands this way. Sometimes I notice the lack of progression as well. For TFK, I started in the middle and have worked my way forwards and backwards and now own everything you have listed here. You rate the first three a little higher than I would, but I can't disagree with most of what you said. Retropolis was my first, but still feels uneven to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doh View Post
    You rate the first three a little higher than I would, but I can't disagree with most of what you said. Retropolis was my first, but still feels uneven to me.
    I think that once I get into the middle period albums I'll realize how much more I love them and the ratings for BITWOA and Retropolis might have to get bumped down a few percentage points. Listening to "Stardust We Are" now but as a double album I'll have to give it a few good run-throughs first.
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