There is a big hole between Hey You and Numb on side 3
I think that's BS... No reason for this kind of statement
What would be your take on rock operas like Tommy and Quadrophenia??
I find Worms-Stop-Trial brillant, though.
There is a big hole between Hey You and Numb on side 3
I think that's BS... No reason for this kind of statement
What would be your take on rock operas like Tommy and Quadrophenia??
I find Worms-Stop-Trial brillant, though.
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
There is a difference between subjective and objective. Opinion vs Fact.
One could certainly argue the facts of the matter... things known generally to be true.
I won't indulge because I would be interested in hearing reasons of the questioned. All in a good spirit of course. Maybe we or I could learn something.
But an example of objective fact might be that the songwriting was credited to all the members of the band compared to just one member.
That the album was recorded at ___________ and mixed at ______________ and engineered by _______________
The songs are generally shorter in length and more melodic in the major scales etc.
The album sold XXXXX million copies compared to several thousand.
Reviews were mostly positive or negative.
The band toured or didn't tour the album.
There were ____ number of Gilmour guitar solos.
The album was instrumental or heavily vocalized.
There were lots of lyrics or they were sparse.
I don't understand how one could suggest a musical album can't be looked at objectively.
Isn't that what is interesting about message boards or the press? Both objective facts mixed with opinions in some kind of balance?
The Final Cut is the greatest musical achievement of all time in rock.
The Final Cut sucks because I just think it sucks.
Nothing like a good tangent (currently spinning Gilmour's Gdansk), what are the best books on PF?
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I always enjoyed Saucerful of Secrets
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Me too, happy. Great recommendation.
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It's since I read this book that Mason has become my fave Floyd... he says it all but in such a diplomatic mode that I believe the Live 8 reunion was the logical next step (despite Gilmour pulling faces during the short set)
if you only need one book, this is it.
Aymeric's book is the other one I have.
my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Any of those things certainly could. A great producer or engineer could make a huge difference. All the band members contributing compared
with only one in the writing dept certainly could. An album filled with Gilmour guitar solos compared with one or none could make a difference.
An album stacked with great reviews compared with all horrible reviews could signal that the album is great or a dud.
I know you like to be argumentative for it's own sake. It's what Orangutan's are best known for.
Isn’t the only thing that should really matter is whether you personally like the album or not no matter what critics or anyone else says? I think we’ve had that feeling about albums that people say are clunkers but we may like them or vise versus.
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Yes, as I said, any one of those might make a difference to someone, but there's no way any one of them would be guaranteed to make one album better than another one to all people (AKA objectively better).
Are you kidding me?
Sorry, you haven't sunk a hole-in-one.
I've been meaning to pick that one up. In A Saucerful Of Secrets: The PInk Floyd Odyssey, it's mentioned that Nick possesses "the definitive Pink Floyd scrap book" which ran to multiple volumes, so besides being the one guy who lived through every stage of the band's existence, you have to reckon he's the one guy who could pull out any given press clipping or whatever to verify whatever piece of vaguely remembered trivia.
Of the ones I've read, I like:
A Saucerful Of Secrets: Nicholas Schaeffner interviewed virtually everyone connected to Pink Floyd who was still around in 1990, with the exception of Syd and Roger. Syd he didn't feel it was appropriate to approach, given his mental state, and Roger flat out refused to take part. As such, when it comes off as a bit one sided vis-a-viz talking about Roger's behaviour circa 77-88 or so. I have a first edition copy, which I recall reading has a few errors in it (for one, it mentions that the 77 In The Flesh tour was the first time the band played stadiums, which isn't true, they played them on the 75, and I remember there being a few others, though I'd have re-read the book, which I haven't done in over a decade, to tell you what else was reportedly incorrectly).
Pink Floyd: In The Flesh subtitled "The Complete Performance History", it's exactly what the title says, a list of every show Pink Floyd up to 1994, including setlists, along with essays about each era, a ful discography, which apart from listing all the band's albums, singles, and solo efforts, also includes a listing of (apparently) all of David Gilmour's guest appearances on other people's records,which, in case you haven't heard, includes records by such luminaries as Bryan Ferry, Grace Jones (!), Kate Bush, classical guitarist Liona Boyd, Roy Harper, Berlin (!!), Duran Duran spinoff Arcadia (!!!), Kirsty MacColl, Dream Academy, Paul McCartney (excuse me, make that Sir Paul McCartney), Samantha Brown, something called Doll By Doll, and just way too many others for me to remember. There's also lots of really cool concert photos, which is always a plus in my book.
Pink Floyd The Visual Documentary: Co-written by Barry Miles, who was an associate of the band's in the early days, this originally came out just followed The Wall shows, then was updated circa A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, then again after the end of the Division Bell tour (and I imagine it's probably been updated at least once or twice since then, to cover everything that's happened since 1994). This one is more like a scrapbook, with relatively minimalist writing sort out of outlining the course of the band's career, with the occasional vintage journalistic excerpt. This is the book where I recall reading that the band were embarrassed, in the early 70's, about how they were "still" playing stuff like Set The Controls..., Careful With That Axe..., etc. It's also noted i this book that at one point, someone offered Syd a million pounds to "record anything". Again, lots of great photos.
I know I've got at least one other Floyd book, I thikn it's called Learning To Fly, but that one was really only interesting for the photos, as I recall, there's a lot of errors vis-a-viz the mid 70's era setlists and things like that. There's also a great essay about punk rock, how the punks (supposedly) "rejected dinosaur bands like Pink Floyd", etc when discussing the lead up to the Animals era, before concluding that "most punks were closeted Thin Lizzy fans, anyway".
^ Doll By Doll was Jackie Leven's late 70s/early 80s slightly New Wavish band, and so something of a departure.
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
Calyx (Canterbury Scene) - http://www.calyx-canterbury.fr
Legends In Their Own Lunchtime (blog) - https://canterburyscene.wordpress.com/
My latest books : "Yes" (2017) - https://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/yes/ + "L'Ecole de Canterbury" (2016) - http://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/lecoledecanterbury/ + "King Crimson" (2012/updated 2018) - http://lemotetlereste.com/musiques/kingcrimson/
Canterbury & prog interviews - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdf...IUPxUMA/videos
Just threw on The Final Cut for the first time in a long time. I love it! Listened to it to death when it came out. No need to argue if it's a real Floyd album or not. It's not, really, but it's a great Waters album! This is the remastered version with When the Tigers Broke Free added, so should be a nice experience.
Man, you better have been listening with a good set of headphones on & the lights out.
If not... shame on you!
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