Not that Rush themselves gave a rat's ass about the RRHoF in the 1st place, but this is kinda fucked up. I have to assume that's totally the HoF's doing.
http://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013...member-of-Rush
Not that Rush themselves gave a rat's ass about the RRHoF in the 1st place, but this is kinda fucked up. I have to assume that's totally the HoF's doing.
http://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013...member-of-Rush
I don't know. Isn't that sort of like demanding Pete Best be accorded the same status as the rest of the Beatles?
Yeah, one mediocre (at best) performance at the very beginning of a long, long, long and successful career with a much better-known drummer...I don't see why he'd even expect to be invited.
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He passed away not too long ago, didn't he?
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Not really. Pete never made an album with the group.
John Rutsey passed away a few years ago. He owned a Gold's gym in Toronto if I recall, and had remained close with Alex over the years. I wouldn't call his drumming 'mediocre', he was actually a pretty decent rock drummer. It just so happens that he was less into complex proggy stuff, and his successor was Neil Peart. Perhaps history would have been kinder to him otherwise.
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When Black Sabbath was inducted, Ronnie James Dio wasn't included. I'd say he had a bigger impact on Sabbath's overall career than Rutsey did with Rush.
But when the Eagles were inducted, Randy Meisner and Timothy B. Schmitt were both included, as were original guitarist Bernie Leadon and Joe Walsh. And the Fleetwood Mac inductions included the original band members (Peter Green, et al.) and the Buckingham-Nicks version.
Yet another reason to bash the Hall: it's lack of consistency when inducting band members.
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Interesting. When I went to reply, this longer message showed up. Maybe you were deleting it at the same time.
Anyway, not to take anything away from Dio, but without the Ozzy years, they would not have ben inducted.
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While you are correct about Sabbath, the same could be said that Fleetwood Mac wouldn't have gotten in without Buckingham and Nicks, yet Peter Green, Danny Kirwin and Jeremy Spencer were also included.
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Perhaps, but he did record with them and he is on the Decca auditions. I get that it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but clearly Rush are getting into the Hall because of what they did *after* they changed drummers.
The best argument for letting him be included -- as made above -- is for consistency.
I guess my argument would be "Working Man". To this day a live staple & still played pretty often on classic rock radio. That song, as Rush fans know, was a pretty damn important single in terms of getting them recognized in the States. (thanks to Donna Halper) That's with Rutsey.
And Bob Welch wasn't??
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I'm with you. John Rutsey isn't some "footnote" in the history of Rush. He was a big part of their early history.
Actually, one could make the case that Pete Best's mother contributed more to the band than he did. She was the one booking shows in those early days.
I do think you have to draw the line at whether or not a member was on any albums.
Has it ever been determined who decides which members are inducted? Is it the bands themselves, or the RRHoF?
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You mean a time when they were complete unknowns. Despite some airplay in Cleveland, Rush was not a big deal in any way in 1974. And their sound changed dramatically once Rutsey was out of the band. He may have had a role in their early history, but not in their success. He's gone now, but if he were alive I'd find it odd having him included in the band induction. The original Genesis drummer wasn't included in theirs, so why would Rutsey?
regardless, it would be nice if Geddy or Alex said something about John. i doubt the original Heart lineup will be there. it's proabably just gonna be Ann & Nancy and maybe Howard Leese. anyway the ceremony is pretty much planned out by the MTV/HOF producers.
The original Heart, or at least the "classic" '70s lineup will be there from everything that I've heard. After all, they're being inducted along with the Wilson sisters.
I don't think that Rustey's abscence is a big deal. He's on one album.
This.
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I remember this well.
Well, maybe the boys will give him a shout-out. He'll be unable to attend at any rate - not making a joke, it might be different if he were alive.
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Not that I care at all or think anything good about RnRHoF's usurped credibility, and of the mediocrity of not including certain mband members...
But who gives a f... really???
As for Rutsey's case... He was there for the first album... had there been dozens of line-up changes, I could eventually understand... but Rush is with Peart on te drum stool, period.
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