Immediate Turn-Offs When Listening To Post Classic Prog Bands

[vmartell]

I don't know... Individual taste vary and I respect that - one person's masterpiece is another's hackneyed derivative crap. But, it sounds to me that we are inconsistently (as in, "only when we don't like it") calling out Prog bands... for being Prog...

[Splicer]

I don't know... Individual taste vary and I respect that - one person's masterpiece is another's hackneyed derivative crap. But, it sounds to me that we are inconsistently (as in, "only when we don't like it") calling out Prog bands... for being Prog...

Well, exactly. Art is enjoyed personally. However, there is no rule I know of that when I don't like something I have to shut up about it. And I didn't.

[vmartell]

Well, exactly. Art is enjoyed personally. However, there is no rule I know of that when I don't like something I have to shut up about it. And I didn't.

Nor was it requested! Or where in what was written does it say that?

I think what you mean is that you disagree - and that is OK. I just wanted to put it out there. Disagreement is fine.

[Nijinsky Hind]

Tastes change over the years. What was once deluxe, becomes debris. Hard to criticize the standard bearers at this stage of the game. But we do anyway, LOL. And it matters not to them.

[Dave (in MA)]

Wrong thread, l think ☺

Maybe, since he turned 50, he's been immediately turned off by his own music.

[Scrotum Scissor]

I get thoroughly provoked by any tiniest tad of musical expression that doesn't instantly resonate with my own personal understanding of what my musical heroes would do/think.

[JAMOOL]

Another thing that bugs me is deliberate impersonations of Steve Howe's guitar sound & style. If the player is in a Yes tribute band that's great but when they're making supposedly original music it gets really annoying. In particular I'm thinking of the guy in Magenta (Tim Fry?) , I even heard one song that had a direct copy of Howe's wild Sound Chaser solo, very clever but WHY? That leads me to Magenta in general, so unoriginal, actual copying of melodies from Yes, Genesis and Floyd, tedious lyrics and a singer that seems to sing the in same monotonous tone all the time. I could go on and don't get me started on Rob Reed's Oldfield rip off project. Just my opinion of course

I agree - Magenta has some sections of music I do really like, but others which so blatantly copy stuff from Yes/ELP/Genesis that it kinda takes me out of it. Wobbler do this too, but they're so good I don't really mind it from them

[veteranof1000psychicwars]

Another 'ripoff' band to investigate if you are so inclined is a band called Submarine Silence, who do quite a job emulating the sound of old Genesis, right down to aping the old NC/Foxtrot logo.

[Czyszy]

My biggest turn off is Italians singing in English and putting the accent on the wrong syllable.

[mozo-pg]

My biggest turn off is Italians singing in English and putting the accent on the wrong syllable.

I only listen to Italian music in the native tongue.

[Czyszy]

Aside from just a handful of exceptions like Alberto Bravin, Italian vocalists are generally terrible at singing in English that's easy to understand what the heck they're singing. xD The worst examples IMO are Tony Tartarini's vocals in Cherry Five, Simone Rosetti's singing in The Watch and the singer of Kerygmatic Project.

[Progatron]

Aside from just a handful of exceptions like Alberto Bravin, Italian vocalists are generally terrible at singing in English that's easy to understand what the heck they're singing. xD The worst examples IMO are Tony Tartarini's vocals in Cherry Five and the singer of Kerygmatic Project.

The guy from Malibran is not great either, which is a shame because I like a fair amount of their music.

[Czyszy]

The guy from Malibran is not great either, which is a shame because I like a fair amount of their music.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not the technique of the singing per se that bothers me, but rather the fact that the accent is so thick and the English lyrics are so strangely phrased to the point it almost sounds like some conlang creole. xd

[Progbear]

The guy from Malibran is not great either, which is a shame because I like a fair amount of their music.

Malibran were one of those bands that never clicked with me. I'd blame the English vocals, but in addition to The Wood of Tales, I have also heard the later La città sul lago, which has vocals largely in Italian. I have heard complaints about the "flat" tone of the vocals, but frankly I found the music pretty flat as well. Can't compare to many of the Italian bands that they were mentioned alongside in the day; e.g.: Ezra Winston, Sithonia, Nuova Era et al, who I thought captured the spirit of 70s Italian prog much better and with greater competence.

On the other hand, Leviathan's Bee Yourself is kind of a guilty pleasure. The English vocals/lyrics are terrible, but they add to the kind of Bizarro world charm of that album.

[Mr.Krautman]

Malibran were one of those bands that never clicked with me. I'd blame the English vocals, but in addition to The Wood of Tales, I have also heard the later La città sul lago, which has vocals largely in Italian. I have heard complaints about the "flat" tone of the vocals, but frankly I found the music pretty flat as well. Can't compare to many of the Italian bands that they were mentioned alongside in the day; e.g.: Ezra Winston, Sithonia, Nuova Era et al, who I thought captured the spirit of 70s Italian prog much better and with greater competence.

On the other hand, Leviathan's Bee Yourself is kind of a guilty pleasure. The English vocals/lyrics are terrible, but they add to the kind of Bizarro world charm of that album.

I think Leviathan's Bee Yourself is very underrated and I consider it as one of the best italian neo-prog records from the 90ies. The singer is not so bad, he has a good powerful expressive voice but harmed by (close to) stupid lyrics and bad english accent. If they could (re)record an Italian version it would be a perfect record. You may call it a guilty pleasure but for me it's one of the very few 90ies neo-prog record in my collection I still listen to regularly with much pleasure.

[Batchman]

Related to this topic, Andy Edwards' latest rant:

[Splicer]

Related to this topic, Andy Edwards' latest rant:

"Why Prog sucks" done in 37 minutes when it could've been done in 5. Ironic.

Also, Andy Edwards is a person you'd meet at a party and your eyes would start darting around because he won't shut up.

[Trane]

Yup, AE is one of the immediate Prog turn-off.

[Progbear]

I have no intention on sitting through 37 minutes of clickbait. Can some kind soul with more patience than me please summarize?

[Splicer]

I have no intention on sitting through 37 minutes of clickbait. Can some kind soul with more patience than me please summarize?

He's aggrieved and a bit off.

[Vic2012]

I couldn't take more than 2 minutes of that video.

[Splicer]

I couldn't take more than 2 minutes of that video.

His mannerisms and tics are a bit off-putting.

[Vic2012]

His mannerisms and tics are a bit off-putting.

Too many of these Youtubers think they're comedians. I just wish they'd get to the point without the preamble....lol

[Batchman]

I have no intention on sitting through 37 minutes of clickbait. Can some kind soul with more patience than me please summarize?

You can read the transcript (click on the "more..." under "MY LINKS" and then click on "Show Transcript"). What he has to say is summarized in the first couple of minutes. Note that the transcript is faulty: it writes "Prague" for "prog" and makes a few other mistakes, but the gist of his argument is there. It's not unlike the frustration Bill Bruford felt in Yes, except that Bruford wasn't sick of listening to prog.

[JKL2000]

He's from Frost or something?