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    The Phrase "funeral pyre"

    Why is the phrase "funeral pyre" so common in metal/prog lyrics?
    Does it always refer to older days burning at stakes or is the phrase still relevant today?

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    Supposedly many modern-day Indians still creamate their dead on wooden funeral pyres next to the Ganges River. Saw it on a Terry Jones-hosted travel show a few years ago.

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    Probably because it rhymes with fire, which usefully is a thing associated with pyres. An easy couplet for lazy rhymers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
    Probably because it rhymes with fire, which usefully is a thing associated with pyres. An easy couplet for lazy rhymers.
    Or barbed wire

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    Leon Russell, Tight Rope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Z9qN8R9Bg

    I'm up on the tight wire
    One side's ice and one is fire
    It's a circus game with you and me
    I'm up on the tight rope
    One side's hate and one is hope
    But the top-hat on my head is all you see

    And the wire seems to be
    The only place for me
    A comedy of errors and I'm falling
    Like a rubber-neck giraffe
    You look into my past
    Well maybe you're just too blind to see

    I'm up in the spotlight
    Oh does it feel right
    Oh altitude seems to get to me
    I'm up on the tight wire
    Flanked by life and the funeral pyre
    Putting on a show for you to see

    Like a rubber-neck giraffe
    You look into my past
    Well maybe you're just too blind to see

    I'm up in the spotlight
    Oh does it feel right
    Oh the altitude really gets to get to me
    I'm up on the tight wire
    Flanked by life and the funeral pyre
    Putting on a show for you to see

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    I blame Jim Morrison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    I blame Jim Morrison.
    Ah-ah-ah…Robbie Krieger wrote those lyrics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
    Probably because it rhymes with fire, which usefully is a thing associated with pyres. An easy couplet for lazy rhymers.
    Yep. In the same category as people who write a line ending in "world" and then have to find some way to have the next line end in the world "girl," or vice versa. Also the pattern of stresses (FYOON-ral PY-re) fits well into meters, and it's a thing that sounds literary and serious.

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    I'm guilty as charged...used it in my latest xmas concoction:

    https://youtu.be/wdC8A6C7KGw

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBES View Post
    Yep. In the same category as people who write a line ending in "world" and then have to find some way to have the next line end in the world "girl," or vice versa. Also the pattern of stresses (FYOON-ral PY-re) fits well into meters, and it's a thing that sounds literary and serious.
    Then there's the overused "dreaming" and "scheming" rhyme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesman1955 View Post
    Supposedly many modern-day Indians still creamate their dead on wooden funeral pyres next to the Ganges River. Saw it on a Terry Jones-hosted travel show a few years ago.
    yes--I've seen it, and it's a daily thing on the banks of the Ganges even today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Then there's the overused "dreaming" and "scheming" rhyme.
    Or Schemer, Dreamer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    Ah-ah-ah…Robbie Krieger wrote those lyrics.
    But it was Jim who etched them into our brains

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    what about masses and...

    ...masses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koreabruce View Post
    Or Schemer, Dreamer...
    Or how something like 65% of all uses of the word "strife" in the English language are by people who need a rhyme for "life"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBES View Post
    Or how something like 65% of all uses of the word "strife" in the English language are by people who need a rhyme for "life"
    Yes, the English language is rife with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    Yes, the English language is rife with this.
    I said the same thing to my wife.
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    A friend recently pointed out to me that Roine Stolt seems to be quite fond of using "funeral pyre" in his lyrics, but I don't know of other examples than this, off hand, from their newest album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    Ah-ah-ah…Robbie Krieger wrote those lyrics.
    Robbie wrote the first verse and part of the chorus. If you look at the lyrics, they get much more expressive and poetic in the second verse, which was written by Jim.

    Anyway, nice job from The Doors rhyming "funeral pyre" with "mire" instead of "fire"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerhard View Post
    A friend recently pointed out to me that Roine Stolt seems to be quite fond of using "funeral pyre" in his lyrics, but I don't know of other examples than this, off hand, from their newest album.
    The only other one I can think of is "Broken"



    "Traitors work their funeral pyres"

    ...interesting that the lyric sheet has the next verse showing as "In murky mires" - but that is not actually sung by Hasse in the song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerhard View Post
    A friend recently pointed out to me that Roine Stolt seems to be quite fond of using "funeral pyre" in his lyrics, but I don't know of other examples than this, off hand, from their newest album.
    Stolt has a habit of recycling expressions and rhymes found in many classic songs. Of course English is not his first language but it often comes across as lazy and cliché, all the more so because the actual meaning of his lyrics is often very vague.

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    Just sat down for a beer at the pub, and I'm hearing Light My Fire as I type. Liar, Pyre, Faya!!!....

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