Chances of Genesis Deluxe Editions?

[ca1ore]

Seems to be all the rage (CDs last gasp) these days to release high priced deluxe editions of classic albums. Was thinking bout this the other day (too much time on my hands clearly) - I wonder what the chances are of the classic Genesis albums getting such treatment? OK, I’m a realist, so probably somewhere between slim and none. Might be a good way to monetize the catalog though. Would be cool too; well, to me anyhow. It’s closing in 15 years since the remixes came out. How about the original mix, 2008 mix, 5.1 on Blu-ray and a full concert from the album tour. Nice lol.

[soundsweird]

There was a deluxe "Lamb" mentioned last year, much discussion on the Hoffman forum after it was mentioned in an article. Steve Hackett commented later (on Facebook?) that it was on the back burner (my words) due to Covid.

[Soc Prof]

0% of the Genesis catalog is currently available as hi res downloads. They need to pull a Pink Floyd and reissue everything.

[Koreabruce]

I'd settle for flat transfers from the original master tapes and not the Nick Davis remixes or the "Definitive" versions released prior to those.

[Hour Candle]

I'd settle for flat transfers from the original master tapes and not the Nick Davis remixes or the "Definitive" versions released prior to those.

This! I just can't stand the Nick Davis ones. I gave them away after first listen. Poor people that got them..

[lovecraft]

Unless you're into surround the Genesis studio albums are a poorly served bunch.

I'd sell organs for flat transfers and/or sympathetic remixes of those early albums.

[starless and bible black]

Seems to be all the rage (CDs last gasp) these days to release high priced deluxe editions of classic albums. Was thinking bout this the other day (too much time on my hands clearly) - I wonder what the chances are of the classic Genesis albums getting such treatment? OK, I’m a realist, so probably somewhere between slim and none. Might be a good way to monetize the catalog though. Would be cool too; well, to me anyhow. It’s closing in 15 years since the remixes came out. How about the original mix, 2008 mix, 5.1 on Blu-ray and a full concert from the album tour. Nice lol.

I agree; it would be nice to have Deluxe Editions of the Genesis albums. I'd love to have the original mixes (flat transferred of course), instrumental mixes and 5.1/Dolby Atmos mixes on Blu-Rays (and IMHO they could leave the 2007/2008 mixes by Nick Davis on the shelf).

[moecurlythanu]

Weren't the original CD releases on Virgin/Charisma flat transfers? I haven't listened to them in yonks, but iirc, the tape hiss is audible.

[Scott Bails]

The Genesis guys seem to have no value at all for their archival material. Hoping that they'll consider the potential revenue stream of release some special editions, live releases, etc. now that they won't be touring anymore.

[LeFrog]

It seems to me the band consider they were among the first to go that route with their 2007/2008 boxsets.

Of course there are a lot of haters of the Nick Davis remixes but I'm not sure the band would think it worthwhile to reissue the albums just so someone else could have a crack at remixing them. It seems they still consider Davis as the curator of their legacy and wouldn't hand the remixes to anyone else. I'm also not sure I'd buy them all again if a new remix was all that was added.

They would also have to add more archival material than was already included in those boxsets. Unless they take that chance to issue all the live multitracks and soundboards they have in their archives as bonus material, I don't think there would be anything interesting they could add to new reissues.

[aith01]

There are some folks who hate the 2007/2008 remixes; I don't know what percentage of the fan base it actually is, but there were definitely a few on the official Genesis forum back when it still existed.

The project was a monumental undertaking though. Mixing all of their studio catalog (except for FGTR) for 5.1, and then their live albums too. I do think that some folks still fail to realize that the 5.1 (and hi-res) mixes were the primary purpose of those reissues, and not the new stereo mixes. It's still one of the best reissues of a band's back catalog, as far as I'm concerned. Would love to see more archival stuff released though.

[MudShark22]

T. I do think that some folks still fail to realize that the 5.1 (and hi-res) mixes were the primary purpose of those reissues, and not the new stereo mixes. It's still one of the best reissues of a band's back catalog, as far as I'm concerned. Would love to see more archival stuff released though.

If you serve a dinner plate of filet mignon, whipped garlic mashed potatoes, and a turd - you cannot argue that the primary point of the meal was the steak and potatoes and we should ignore the turd.

It's on the plate - if you didn't want to distract from your primary goal - don't serve it.

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[aith01]

If you serve a dinner plate of filet mignon, whipped garlic mashed potatoes, and a turd - you cannot argue that the primary point of the meal was the steak and potatoes and we should ignore the turd.

It's on the plate - if you didn't want to distract from your primary goal - don't serve it.

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Uhm. No, that's hardly an accurate metaphor. C'mon man.

Everyone's ears are different, and the stereo mixes sound fine to my ears. It's not an absolute. I still stand by what I said.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree about the quality of the Nick Davis mixes; they aren't that bad, they just aren't. Certainly not enough to "distract" from the 5.1 mixes. If you don't want the 5.1 mixes, and don't like the new stereo mixes, then don't buy the boxes/reissues. It's not complicated.

[rich]

Uhm. No, that's hardly an accurate metaphor. C'mon man.

Everyone's ears are different, and the stereo mixes sound fine to my ears. It's not an absolute. I still stand by what I said.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree about the quality of the Nick Davis mixes; they aren't that bad, they just aren't. Certainly not enough to "distract" from the 5.1 mixes. If you don't want the 5.1 mixes, and don't like the new stereo mixes, then don't buy the boxes/reissues. It's not complicated.

I tend to agree with this take... I'm no professional but I have always liked what I've heard from the box sets. I have decent equipment as well, Onkyo, Denon and B&W speakers... not top of the line but certainly not entry level. I'm not discounting others that don't like the mixes we all hear things differently much like we taste things differently like wine for example. I don't agree with every top rated wine review that I taste. That might be an over simplification but it was the best I could come up with! Having said that it would be interesting to sit down and listen to one of the mixes with someone who dislikes a particular mix of one of the LP's and have them point out the shortcomings.

[ca1ore]

Well, I bought the 2007/8 boxes solely for the surround mixes.

[ca1ore]

Unless they take that chance to issue all the live multitracks and soundboards they have in their archives as bonus material

Yes, but that WOULD be awesome. Tons of unreleased stuff.

[LeFrog]

As others have pointed out in a less convoluted way than me, the existing boxsets are already very good and pretty hard to beat.

The Davis haters are very vocal but I doubt the majority of fans would buy a reissue just for yet another remix replacing the Davis mixes.

Again, I believe only a substantial amount of archival live material as bonus would warrant new reissues.

[LeFrog]

Yes, but that WOULD be awesome. Tons of unreleased stuff.

Hell yes but we all know it's not happening. They missed so many windows of opportunity for releasing this stuff that the likelihood just gets lower over time.

[Flightwave]

I like the Nick Davis remixes on vinyl. To me they sound great.

Now, some of the remixes on CD are very harsh to my ears (especially the Trick - Abacab eras), but as mentioned we all hear differently.

As others suggested above, I'd love for archival concerts / demos / other video footage to be released. Ah if only !

[aith01]

I like the Nick Davis remixes on vinyl. To me they sound great.

I've got the blue box set on vinyl, and it sounds great to me also. One of the best music investments I've ever made.

[Flightwave]

I've got the blue box set on vinyl, and it sounds great to me also. One of the best music investments I've ever made.

That's a great sounding vinyl box, especially "Wind and Wuthering". To my ears, that version of "Duke" on vinyl is the best, it's cleaned up considerably and no longer muddy and thick like prior pressings.

[ca1ore]

Hell yes but we all know it's not happening. They missed so many windows of opportunity for releasing this stuff that the likelihood just gets lower over time.

Yah, noted that in my initial post. Doesn’t mean one cannot daydream though

[moecurlythanu]

Imo, the purpose of remixes is to hear things that were buried in the mix, different points of emphasis and the like. They don't supersede previous mixes. They are a new and different view into a country that is well known, and they illuminate things that were not seen before. On that basis, the Davis remixes succeed wonderfully. So glad that I have them.

[jcarr73729]

Imo, the purpose of remixes is to hear things that were buried in the mix, different points of emphasis and the like. They don't supersede previous mixes. They are a new and different view into a country that is well known, and they illuminate things that were not seen before. On that basis, the Davis remixes succeed wonderfully. So glad that I have them.

I agree with this assessment, however that still means that the original stereo mixes have not been remastered to hi-res using the best available technology, and the CDs remain the last (digital) word on these versions. Unless the original stereo master tapes are in a poor condition and we are stuck with what we already have, a high-quality hi-res capture of the original stereo masters would not consume nearly as much time and resources as the Davis project. The original stereo mixes in hi-res is a gap in their catalogue, and appears more obvious as more and more historical music is made available in hi-res.

[Top Cat]

I didn't like the cd versions and sold my boxset to fund getting the vinyl set(Phil era).
Don't know why, but they sound much better, and I also have used copies on vinyl to compare them to.
Some of the original recordings have issues, and I don't think there is much you can do to fix them.
I've found the Genesis album to be extremely bright in parts of it, regardless of what versions I have(I still have the definitive edition on cd).