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    Maybe best Union edit? [emoji848]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisoned Youth View Post
    No. That said...


    Union
    Side 1
    1. I Would Have Waited Forever
    2. Holding On
    3. Without Hope You Cannot Start the Day
    4. Take the Water to the Mountain
    5. Lift Me Up

    Side 2
    1. Shock to the System
    2. Dangerous
    3. The More We Live - Let Go
    4. Miracle of Life

    Onion
    1. Masquerade (not a bad piece, just out of place on the album)
    2. Saving My Heart (ugh)
    3. Angkor Wat (Might have worked better as a 2 minute track)
    4. Evensong (Like Angkor and Masquerade, might have worked better on a different themed album)
    5. Silent Talking (Feels like a blend of ideas that didn't quite meld)
    I think this is perfect sequencing and song selection. The only thing I'd change is I'd flip "Take the Water..." with "Miracle of Life".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
    Maybe best Union edit?


    lol... I would not agree, but it is effective as satire. I do think that opening and finishing with Evensong is a great idea!

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    I will say even with all the album tracks included the order of the tracks always seemed off … Miracle of Life seems like an obvious opener…

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    This stuff is all new to me, and I thought I was pretty well versed in all the demos and alternate versions from this period.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIq1...KOlkjk&index=3

    What is a SARM demo? Where does this stuff fit in the timeline with the Dialogue sessions demos and the Promo Cassette? I assume somewhere between?

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    Or are they the demos that led Arista to ask the band to come back when they had a possible single?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
    What is a SARM demo? Where does this stuff fit in the timeline with the Dialogue sessions demos and the Promo Cassette? I assume somewhere between?
    Yes.

    The really interesting versions are the "backing tracks" (they're called that, but they're not that) of "Dangerous" and "Without..." on Steve Howe's Anthology 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
    What is a SARM demo?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarm_West_Studios

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    Yes.

    The really interesting versions are the "backing tracks" (they're called that, but they're not that) of "Dangerous" and "Without..." on Steve Howe's Anthology 2.

    Henry
    Thanks for answering this question. Sorry, lost track of this thread for a bit. Giving a good listen to the SARM demos now and enjoying them. It seems like there is no end to the amount of Yes music out there to be discovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarm_West_Studios

    (Formerly Island Studios aka Basing Street Studios, where many important albums - by Jethro Tull, Traffic, Led Zeppelin, Camel etc. - were recorded, before Trevor Horn and his wife Jill Sinclair acquired the premises and renamed them.)
    Thanks!

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    Okay, while we're talking about random rare yes demos, most of this playlist is from either Rabin's "90124" demos collection or from the expanded 90125, but where from is this proto-City of Love thing called Fools?



    What more rarities from the Rabin years are out there? Does anything else exist from the early Cinema sessions beyond It Can Happen, It's Over, and Make it Easy?

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    Funny how half those were not on the 90124 album. Never heard that version of Hold On before. What a bunch of Rabin lyrical twaddle that one had. It's like all he could write was dumb relationship songs back then. Yes and Horn took the good parts and left the rest, thankfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
    What more rarities from the Rabin years are out there? Does anything else exist from the early Cinema sessions beyond It Can Happen, It's Over, and Make it Easy?
    There is quite a lot more, although sound quality is often poor and there's a lot more we know to exist that hasn't ever leaked. Yessongs.nl has various collections at https://yessongs.nl/11-90125.html

    So, what do we know (and don't know)...

    Squire and White did the XYZ sessions with Page: reasonable recordings exist, although Page says there are multitracks. Unclear if all the XYZ material is represented in what has been leaked.

    Squire and White did "Run with the Fox": unclear if there was anything further from these sessions

    Rabin does a set of demos looking for a solo deal: not precisely clear what was included; some on 90124, some leaked. It is not always clear what material claiming to be "Cinema demos" is by Cinema versus from this earlier period.

    Cinema get together: lengthy, if poor audio, recordings leaked. More must exist: early on, Rabin was said to have been working on XYZ ideas, but we've never heard that. Are there any recordings of Horn singing lead, the plan early on? Cinema had basically finished an album before Anderson returned: bits of this have been officially released, but where is the rest of it? We know other pieces existed that haven't cropped up, like "Time" (long version of "Cinema") and "Red Light, Green Light" (known to exist because Art of Noise sampled it). We know Cinema's showcase live performance for record labels was recorded.

    Why there hasn't been a box set re-release of 90125 with all this earlier material, I don't know. There may be contractual issues as many of the recordings were before the band had re-signed to Atlantic, so Warner (who swallowed Atlantic) won't own the material the way they do for Yes's existence from signing for their first album through to the YesWest demos before Union.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Funny how half those were not on the 90124 album.
    90124 was poorly put together. (Blame Voiceprint/Gonzo again.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Funny how half those were not on the 90124 album. Never heard that version of Hold On before. What a bunch of Rabin lyrical twaddle that one had. It's like all he could write was dumb relationship songs back then. Yes and Horn took the good parts and left the rest, thankfully.
    That is totally the version of Hold On from 90124, or that is, both those versions (Hold On and Moving In) are from 90124. I've been listening to the 90124 stuff a lot lately since The Quest came out and I updated my No Jon, Yes Yes playlist.

    From that playlist, Make it Easy, It Can Happen, and It's Over are the familiar Cinema versions from the expanded 90125, although the person who compiled this playlist cut off the beginning of Make it Easy for whatever reason - presumably because it repeats as part of Cinema/Don't Give In. Everything else here is from 90124 except Fools. No idea where this playlist sourced that track from.

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    While I was typing that last post, the playlist in question ended and rolled into this really great sounding Big Generator tour boot, if anyone wants to hear a really great sounding Big Generator tour boot:


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    Hrm. Just found a bunch of Cinema era demos collections in plain sight. Will spend some time downloading and sifting thru today.

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    So what are the chances that any of these Rabin/Squire/Kay/White tracks are actually that? I'm assuming it's mostly Rabin solo demos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
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    So what are the chances that any of these Rabin/Squire/Kay/White tracks are actually that? I'm assuming it's mostly Rabin solo demos.
    My guess would be they are pre-Cinema Rabin demos, until you get to the set including "Open Your Door" (or "Open the Door"). That's a Squire number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    My guess would be they are pre-Cinema Rabin demos, until you get to the set including "Open Your Door" (or "Open the Door"). That's a Squire number.

    Henry
    Excellent. Thanks for the heads up.

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    So that archeological endeavor earned me two Cinema/Yes tunes I hadn't heard before, Open Your Door and Don't You Know (or Carry On)... and a lot of early 80s kinda campy Trevor Rabin demos about women who apparently just don't understand but that's okay 'cause he's gonna tell them what's what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
    and a lot of early 80s kinda campy Trevor Rabin demos about women who apparently just don't understand but that's okay 'cause he's gonna tell them what's what.
    I remember a review of one of the Asia albums, probably Alpha, that said something like "three songs about how much they like their girlfriends and four about how much they don't like their girlfriends." The only thing they knew how to write about? OR the only thing they thought will sell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arturs View Post
    I remember a review of one of the Asia albums, probably Alpha, that said something like "three songs about how much they like their girlfriends and four about how much they don't like their girlfriends." The only thing they knew how to write about? OR the only thing they thought will sell?
    A whole new world opened up for old proggers in the 80s when they started singing about girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    Why there hasn't been a box set re-release of 90125 with all this earlier material, I don't know. There may be contractual issues...

    Henry
    I'm making my way thru the demos collection I screen capped above, and yeah, if there's no legal reason there hasn't been a "road to 90125" type box set with all Rabin's demos and whatever Cinema stuff is hidden away, there's certainly no logical reason for it. I would love to have decent quality, official releases over these terribly lo-fi bootlegs of this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arturs View Post
    I remember a review of one of the Asia albums, probably Alpha, that said something like "three songs about how much they like their girlfriends and four about how much they don't like their girlfriends." The only thing they knew how to write about? OR the only thing they thought will sell?
    Well, that was mainly Wetton, as the main lyricist, writing about his girlfriends. Wetton's interesting, because he initially doesn't write lyrics, with Crimson leaning on Richard Palmer-James instead. Then his lyrical style develops through UK (some girlfriend songs, but lots of other lyrics too) and his first solo album before we get to Asia.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmanzi View Post
    A whole new world opened up for old proggers in the 80s when they started singing about girls.
    Yes were singing about their girlfriends/wives in the '70s, on occasion, at least more than some prog bands. "Roundabout" is a love song (see also "Onward", "Sweetness"). Crimson had "Ladies of the Road", perhaps representing... er... briefer relationships than the married Yes folk.

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