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    Progressive Hardcore Punk? I think so!

    There's no doubt prog-punk. But there's a specific subgenre of hardcore punk (powerviolence) that is characterized by, primarily, lots of changes (in meter, composition, etc.) and extremely short songs. If anyone is prog-metal inclined, this may be on the other spectrum of that. Though the singing may be similar in some respects, I think it is probably safe to say it's a much more austere approach to the same sort of musical problems.

    Here is an example:


    For me at least, it satisfies a lot of the itches that some avant-prog does. Some fun angular, surprising compositions.

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    I def "hear" what you're saying w/ that Spazz track. But that particular powerviolence subgenre doesnt reach me personally.

    When I need that hit of "progpunk" hybrid - I reach for NoMeansNo - Wrong.

    I also read a RS interview with SoaD a long while ago - and there initial ethos was to "cram a prog rock song" into a 3-5 minute window.

    So - totally for short aggressive note-packed "virtuoso" punk!

    Great thread.

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    Thanks, but no thanks. I prefer ABBA.

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    There's room for ABBA in punk, I'm sure... somehow at least?

    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
    I def "hear" what you're saying w/ that Spazz track. But that particular powerviolence subgenre doesnt reach me personally.

    When I need that hit of "progpunk" hybrid - I reach for NoMeansNo - Wrong.

    I also read a RS interview with SoaD a long while ago - and there initial ethos was to "cram a prog rock song" into a 3-5 minute window.

    So - totally for short aggressive note-packed "virtuoso" punk!

    Great thread.

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    Love that album. I hadn't thought about it in terms of prog, but totally see that. That first track really just blasts off.

    Maybe something in between is a good candidate for what we're speaking to:

    JP, the bassist, does talk about nomeansno being a big influence on him—and it shows!

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    Here's one of very many threads we've had on progressive punk allsorts throughout the years here at PE: http://www.progressiveears.org/forum...ogressive+punk

    The great thing about much (if not all) progressive punk and hardcore is that it's far more challenging and advanced than that stagnant "prog" so evident on releases by equally stagnant musicians like Jobson blah-blah on U.K. (1978), a pop/fusion/symph-concocted record terribly grim since it displays musicians utterly unable to evolve in terms of creative ambitions as opposed to commercial ones. I mean, there were tons of genuinely progressive music being made in countries like France and the U.S. at the time, but since "prog" apparently defines by who's physically involved and not what actually comes out of the loudspeaker, all of those tons probably don't count for anything.

    I saw The Locust twice in concert, and they were one of the tightest bands I -ever- encountered (along with The Flying Luttenbachers, Ruins, Kayo Dot, Hella and two dozen other modern acts), unlike many so-called "virtuoso" bands calling themselves "prog" and ironically doing the exact same and tired thing they and their idols have been doing for several decades already under the rather pitiful artistic guise that "it's too complex for most folks to understand".

    So yeah, beam on reggae-boogie-proggie-hardcore-porny-punky-slunky woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    I saw The Locust twice in concert, and they were one of the tightest bands I -ever- encountered
    I've had a similar experience. Only caught them once (New Erections tour) and it was insane how tight and similarly non-communicative they were. They never even looked at each other—just really well rehearsed. Thanks for the link. Time to go look through it and get annoyed! haha.

    I get a sense usually when people talk about prog music, they mean something distinct from what someone may mean from 'progressive music,' though admittedly I dont know many people as pretentious as me so as to use that term...

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    This totally fits the bill, too! Added to the list—thanks for sharing. Reminds me of some Geza X meets Renaldo and the Loaf vibe. I forget how whacky and interesting a lot of synthy-punk can be. Another good middle of the road from that sensibility:

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    In all honesty I've not really thought much of prog/punk but not for dismissive reasons...simply already finding SO MUCH music to enjoy these days

    But, never bad to stretch out a bit and explore...so I'll check out The Locusts & Spazz. Thanks
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    Fucked Up on their recent Year of the Horse fit the bill. Four 20-minute long suites should satisfy anyone longing for a hardcore re-drawing of the topographic oceans map.



    https://fuckedup.bandcamp.com/album/year-of-the-horse

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    In trying to be a man o' my word...checked 'em all out. Very very very much reminded me of Gaza which hopefully doesn't make me look like an doofwad for the comparison. And I am pretty darn fond of Gaza so that was a compliment (for those not familiar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkXeiX_SkQ )

    Of the ones so far I like The Locust most, although a quick listen to Fucked Up didn't exactly bore me.

    So....thanks again
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    Re: Stump
    Totally dug that - wish I was X-) when I heard it.
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    How is the fish?! lol


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    re: Električni orgazam

    Enjoyed those also. Thnx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by offwithyerhat View Post
    totally fits
    I also saw them on the New Erections tour (2007), and was amazed how they were actually able to reproduce their shit on stage. That's some truly demanding stuff to perform. And all while wearing those unlikely outfits of cloth which apparently destines for concerts of short duration.

    BTW, offwithyerhat, I love your avatar; we're a sole handful of Spinetta-fanatics in here but we're strong and vile and commanding in presence. Liberal and far-reaching in taste, yet damning for the soul of traditional "prog orthodoxy". So the word goes. Whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
    Re: Stump
    Totally dug that - wish I was X-) when I heard it.
    Smiling on the commuter train home.

    How is the fish?! lol
    Haha yeah! Definitely one of those records. Tupperware Party is another real good tune.


    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    we're a sole handful of Spinetta-fanatics in here but we're strong and vile and commanding in presence. Liberal and far-reaching in taste, yet damning for the soul of traditional "prog orthodoxy". So the word goes. Whatever.
    Love it. This feels right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post

    BTW, offwithyerhat, I love your avatar; we're a sole handful of Spinetta-fanatics in here but we're strong and vile and commanding in presence. Liberal and far-reaching in taste, yet damning for the soul of traditional "prog orthodoxy". So the word goes. Whatever.

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