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    Saw the Olias vinyl at Record Store Day today

    ..and quickly walked away from the $50 album. Really? Why?

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    Don't blame you at all! I would have dropped it like a hot potato!

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    I picked up Olias on vinyl a few year ago for a song. Now I see many, many albums with a jacked up price. Could be too many people are jumping on the vinyl bandwagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    I picked up Olias on vinyl a few year ago for a song. Now I see many, many albums with a jacked up price. Could be too many people are jumping on the vinyl bandwagon.
    I never see Olias in used shops. The only one of the '75-76 "Yessolos" albums I've seen around lately is Moraz's. The first few Wakeman albums, on the other hand, are all over the place.
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    I got an original NM Olias on LP last year for $5!

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    Cool, you mean I own 3 albums worth $50?
    I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.

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    An original UK Olias in either VG+ or NM is still only around $15 US (plus shipping). A USA original is even less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulrus View Post
    Cool, you mean I own 3 albums worth $50?
    Way more than just 3. A year or so ago, In the Court of the Crimson King sold for around $20. Now they're $50.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    The first few Wakeman albums, on the other hand, are all over the place.
    I regularly see Wakeman's albums in the $1 each, 12 for $10 clearance bin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post


    I regularly see Wakeman's albums in the $1 each, 12 for $10 clearance bin.
    That's too expensive!!
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    This was of course the remastered Esoteric 45th anniversary edition, limited to 1000 or so copies...but FIFTY BUCKS? Guess I'll pull out my old vinyl.

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    $50??? no friggin way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    $50??? no friggin way!

    Just ordered from Rough Trade USA - $40 + $4.50 shipping - a bit expensive, but not super unreasonable... also pre-ordered from Amazon, Mike Oldfield "Incantations" - $57.99 + Tax - although that is a double... again, a bit on the expensive side, but not overtly so... Remember these are new records, and even if the numbers look good, vinyl is still a niche market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
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    I regularly see Wakeman's albums in the $1 each, 12 for $10 clearance bin.
    Our local thrift store is having a 10 for $1 sale thru the month of July, albums or CD's
    I didn't see any vinyl I wanted but I did pick up some CD's.. oh and both 6 Wives and Journey were in the album pile.. so there you go.. 10 cents a piece..

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    Adjusting for inflation a double album or single CD that cost $15 in 1985 would cost $38 in today's money (which you can currently buy Can's most recent triple live LP for). Given the pressing runs of modern records, they're not exorbitant then, although the single Olias and double Incantations are on the pricier end. On the other hand, CD prices have effectively plummeted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmartell View Post
    Just ordered from Rough Trade USA - $40 + $4.50 shipping - a bit expensive, but not super unreasonable... also pre-ordered from Amazon, Mike Oldfield "Incantations" - $57.99 + Tax - although that is a double... again, a bit on the expensive side, but not overtly so... Remember these are new records, and even if the numbers look good, vinyl is still a niche market...

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    I buy new vinyl all the time, and unless it's a actual double vinyl album, that is much higher than ones I buy, even from Amazon.
    I've bought new reissues from our local Walmart, like, Fleetwood Mac Rumors, Led Zepplin, Queen Night at the Opera, Tom Petty for $22.97.

    I have noticed prices on some new vinyl going higher and higher, and eventually they'll be out of my price range for a retired person. As it is, I see a lot I'd like to buy but have to be selective to fit my budget.
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    Very good copies of Olias seem to be easy to get here in the UK. I was browsing in a secondhand shop yesterday and they had three clean looking copies with the inner sleeve etc. for £4 each (about $5.50?). They also had 7 Six Wives and 5 King Arthurs but no Howe or Squire

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGoon View Post
    Adjusting for inflation a double album or single CD that cost $15 in 1985 would cost $38 in today's money (which you can currently buy Can's most recent triple live LP for). Given the pressing runs of modern records, they're not exorbitant then, although the single Olias and double Incantations are on the pricier end. On the other hand, CD prices have effectively plummeted.
    Particularly considering vinyl presses were ubiquitous in the 80s, and most were scrapped when vinyl died. The few which survived are now a precious commodity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I have noticed prices on some new vinyl going higher and higher, and eventually they'll be out of my price range for a retired person. As it is, I see a lot I'd like to buy but have to be selective to fit my budget.
    As I said, everyone's jumping on the vinyl bandwagon, driving prices higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    Particularly considering vinyl presses were ubiquitous in the 80s, and most were scrapped when vinyl died. The few which survived are now a precious commodity.



    As I said, everyone's jumping on the vinyl bandwagon, driving prices higher.
    I guess that means I agree with you....
    but I also see it as record companies charging more for certain artist's and their classic material, since there are diehard fans who will pay more than new material release albums on vinyl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I buy new vinyl all the time, and unless it's a actual double vinyl album, that is much higher than ones I buy, even from Amazon.
    I've bought new reissues from our local Walmart, like, Fleetwood Mac Rumors, Led Zepplin, Queen Night at the Opera, Tom Petty for $22.97.

    I have noticed prices on some new vinyl going higher and higher, and eventually they'll be out of my price range for a retired person. As it is, I see a lot I'd like to buy but have to be selective to fit my budget.
    Oh no doubt about it - hope it stays accessible - it is a beautiful hobby/vice.


    The albums you mention are singles, so naturally they will be cheaper - that say it is still true that the new Olias and the Incantations album I mentioned are a bit on the expensive side. The one thing we have to consider too, is the size of the runs - the Olias if I remember correctly, is a limited run of 1000 or so - please, mentioning this from memory, if I am wrong, pls correct me and forgive me - that naturally makes each unit more expensive... same with Incantations - I think is a relatively limited run.

    The other thing is that I am running out of space! when I came back to vinyl, in the excitement of it all, I forgot how much space those damn things take! So have been trying to be disciplined to limit myself to certain items... A few ongoing Jazz series and really special releases from other styles... that's it. Rest of my music purchases are in CD. Which btw, is also not easy! Seems these days that if you don't buy that CD you want when released, that's it, you lost your chance... runs are limited too.

    Those bastards are trying to push us to streaming! I refuse! Music is NOT a utility.

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    I've got 2 releases on my scope...CSNY DejaVu(if they release it as a single LP) and the 3LP version of George Harrison's All Things Must Pass remastered. I'm hoping we can claim that one in the budget as our Anniversary present in September(but buy it early).
    These are priced pretty high, but it's the old capitalistic theory of "demand" in action here, and I just have to have the remaster of ATMP, although I do have a VG condition of it, the box is a bit funky.

    I really love Olias and if we weren't on a budget than I'd probably throw caution to the wind and get it, but as it is, I have to pick and choose.

    I found copies from Cherry Red of PFM's Photos and The World under $30 each about a year ago and jumped on it.

    I'm so old, when people talk about streaming I think they're talking about prostate supplements.
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    Unless it was remixed, it's still the aural equivalent of 10 gallons of stuff in a 5 gallon bucket.

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    I recently watched an interview with John Helliwell of Supertramp on Youtube who said something very interesting about the vinyl resurgence:

    John says that with vinyl, there are many things that have to be accurate, balanced, optimal quality and pristine. Those would be: turntable quality (balanced weight on arm, belt function or quartz speed, excellence of the cartridge and needle) and at the same time the vinyl quality (material weight, are scratch free, no warping and so forth) SO MANY! But with a CD, NONE of that. Of course CDs are not perfect, some are defective but your degree of poor quality product and audio diminishes. And also you get lots of bonus tracks in 70 plus minutes per CD.

    I used to love my vinyl record collection (specially the covers) but will NOT reverse back from CDs even if these also become a thing of the past. I am finally jumping on the cloud and streaming bandwagon, it is everywhere and gives me listening enjoyment at any time, anywhere (even in my car or in the shower!) whereas vinyl can't.

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    For me its simple: CD, vinyl, and streaming are all an equal(ish) part of my listening. I continue to buy more vinyl and BC downloads but not as many CDs. This is the greatest time to be a music consumer (not as much as a musician and/or distributor sadly), but life is always about evolution and change. This conversation will be different even in ten years, but I see streaming the predominant medium of listening in the future.

    Besides us crazy folks on this forum (and others like it), I don't know many other people who still actually buy music, which is sad but its the truth. My daughter is really getting into The Beatles and is really infatuated with my parent's Beatles vinyl collection - which is now ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    For me its simple: CD, vinyl, and streaming are all an equal(ish) part of my listening.
    . My daughter is really getting into The Beatles and is really infatuated with my parent's Beatles vinyl collection - which is now ours.
    I'm in the equal CD and vinyl camp. No reason one can't listen to both, especially if you still have your old vinyl collection(which I don't).
    The truth, at least to me is, not all CDs and vinyl albums are created equally.
    I've bought new CDs and vinyl albums that sound fantastic, and others that sound like crap.
    It depends on the mix and mastering.
    Some of the new vinyl albums have the cd version included with them, the last PFM, Kansas' Prelude Implicit, Transatlantic Forevermore, etc
    Sometimes if the master is too bright and/or compressed too much, the vinyl still sounds like crap(both Kansas vinyl).
    For some reason the vinyl version of the new Transatlantic Forevermore sounds better to my wife and I than the cds that came with it.

    So it's a crap shoot..you buy new vinyl thinking it will somehow magically sound better, and it's not worth the money.
    Then I buy other vinyl and think, wow, I'm so glad I got the vinyl version.
    I can't afford to buy new releases in vinyl all the time anymore, so I'll get the cd version and sometimes they sound really good.

    That is so wonderful your daughter is getting in to the Beatles...there IS hope for the future of the world after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I've got 2 releases on my scope...CSNY DejaVu(if they release it as a single LP) and the 3LP version of George Harrison's All Things Must Pass remastered. I'm hoping we can claim that one in the budget as our Anniversary present in September(but buy it early).
    These are priced pretty high, but it's the old capitalistic theory of "demand" in action here, and I just have to have the remaster of ATMP, although I do have a VG condition of it, the box is a bit funky.
    Absolutely. CSNY Deja Vu is another one of those albums whose resale value shot through the roof in just the last year.
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