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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangram View Post
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    I just wanted the concert of the Animals tour. Maybe there isn't the professional, top shelf recording from the tour, but if they can make some of the stuff from the early box sets sound good (ATM, The Man, The Journey, SoS etc), there has to be some decent source material that they could have whipped into shape.
    The stuff on the Early Years boxset is (mostly) professional recordings. The version of The Man And The Journey is taken from, I think, a Dutch radio broadcast. Most of the rest of the recordings on the set are either studio recordings or, I think, BBC things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    The stuff on the Early Years boxset is (mostly) professional recordings. The version of The Man And The Journey is taken from, I think, a Dutch radio broadcast. Most of the rest of the recordings on the set are either studio recordings or, I think, BBC things.
    Thanks, I didn’t know that. So what this might be implying is that PF has finally hit the bottom of the barrel in terms of archives.

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    What is particularly annoying is that there is no shortage of professional recordings from their underground era but so few from the bloated successful era. I suppose once they didn't really need to promote themselves anymore they were happy to ditch such odious activities!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    I think Gilmour has had so much nonsense from Roger over the years he's decided to just stick it to him. Does it make sense? No. Is it vindictive? Yes. Does Roger bring it on himself? Yes.
    Yeah, Roger should really be shutting the hell up or at least twisting his tongue in his mouth seven times and twosting his fingers 500 times before touching the computer before going publisd (and maybe stopping the booze while doing it)

    Quote Originally Posted by Splicer View Post
    Quote from the piece attributed to Gilmour:



    The wording is important here. Not once does Gilmour say that he did anything - there's a lot of "you'd" and "we'd" never "I". It's a pretty lawyerly way for Gilmour to seem like he's taking credit but have plausible deniability that he did anything of the kind.
    well it takes two to tango, and nobody knows best how to irrate Roger than David.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    They did become friendlier around 2010 when Gilmour joined Waters on a couple of occasions (at the well-documented "Wall" show in London then at a smaller charitable event).
    Things have soured considerably since, however, largely based on Gilmour banning Waters' announcements, even Floyd-related, from the official PF website when Gilmour's wife Polly Samson is able to advertise her sometimes less Floyd-related activites on it.
    The "censored" liner notes have nothing really controversial in them except the blatantly pro-Waters bias in the way they are written. Then again, Waters really was at the helm beginning in 1974/75 so it's not factually untrue, but it's written in a way that insists on Waters' creative dominance to an extent that is perhaps unnecessary.
    Polly Ono or Yoko Samson?

    What was the name of Niget Tufnel's (or was it Dave St Hubbins') GF again??
    Jeannie Pettybone, I seem to remember.



    Yeah, most people seem to claim that Waters took control after Animals (when he saved the ship from drowning into bankrupcy), but indeed it's more DSOTM days.

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    I'm not really annoyed by all this kindergarten stuff these days, but I can't help comparing this with the impression that Wish You Were Here gave me when I was a child - it felt like the work of a mature, united, classy group of people. This was, in my perception at the time, the kind of music and lyrics adult people could create, in a good way. And now, 45+ years later...

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    I'm also quite impressed with Roger's behaviour on the road with all his touring team, even if I'm not all that surprised.

    Thanks to Steve for letting us know

    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    I think Gilmour has had so much nonsense from Roger over the years he's decided to just stick it to him. Does it make sense? No. Is it vindictive? Yes. Does Roger bring it on himself? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nearfest2 View Post
    Agreed. And if I were Dave, I'd be wary of letting Roger post there too. Roger has not legally been in Pink Floyd since the 80s and he's prone to post very polarizing political content to say the least. Not to mention his penchant for Dave/Polly bashing.
    Ultimately, I think this is the only valid reason for not letting Roger in the PF site. He would post tons of political left-wing stuff that Gilmour (or Mason) wouldn't want to endorse.
    I'm sure Roger would lay off Polly if he was in.

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    Scarfe will be included with The Wall remix.
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    OK, Gerald has got the bricks for the walls, but he will still need shingles of tiles to have a home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halmyre View Post
    At the Live 8 set I got the impression that Roger was trying to be Mr Conciliatory, but Dave in particular was having none of it, he looked very uncomfortable at the end.
    Actually, Roger overplays it quite a bit (though I don't think he was faking it at all - he really thought it was mostly over by then, I'm guessing) almost trying to steal (to Dave's eyes maybe) the show, but if you look at David's curmudgeoning's face throughout the whole of the 20 minutes, you can see that he's hating every second of it, right from the start.

    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    The sad truth is, Pink Floyd neglected to have any of their shows professionally recorded after 1972 and until 1980-81. The only exception was the BBC broadcast of the 1974 Wembley shows, we have the Beeb to thank for that (and many of the earlier live or almost-live recordings).
    So, I wasn't expecting any official multitrack recording from the "Animals" tour, that just doesn't appear to exist. Sad indeed.
    Or filmed FTM.... which is that much weirder that they had the (or one of the) most spectacular show on the planet by then.
    I could do without a live album from those years, but I miss much more another VHS/DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by infandous View Post
    As to Waters, I think he has some good points and I think Gilmour may actually get a bit of perverse pleasure out of saying things in interviews he knows will piss Roger off, but that's pure speculation on my part.
    Naaaaaah, really??? he gets a kick out of making Roger looking bad.
    I remember a Live tour DVD from David solo tour, where he tells the camera that he will let Roger in to say hello - almost doing him a favor. Naturally Roger comes in "slightly" overdoing it. The whole thing being released on the DVD is not accidental. It was planned right from the start (not Roger's visit)

    Quote Originally Posted by infandous View Post
    But yeah, Water QUIT the band, then took them to court over use of the name and lost, and Gilmour has control of it, so can do whatever he wants with it. Something Roger maybe should have considered before quitting, even though he thought he was actually ending the band by quitting (a sign of his arrogance, surely).
    Different outlook

    Roger unilateraly disbanded the band after TFC because nobody was contributing anything anymore (Gilmour was probably saving his ideas for About Face), which he thought was mostly him (which given his overall artistic and behind the scenes (including saving from bankrupcy) efforts since 77 and even before, would have him feel entitled to do so). After Gilmour solo 84 tour (2000 seat theatres - not always well-filled) and Waters solo 84 tour (arenas - usually packed), Gilmour was probably given a kick in the butt (or slap in the face) that the pillow might deflate so he woke up and saw that Floyd was maybe worth keeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Yeah, most people seem to claim that Waters took control after Animals (when he saved the ship from drowning into bankrupcy), but indeed it's more DSOTM days.

    Leggo my Eggo.
    I think Roger's griping started around that time - complaining about giving Nick Mason the writing credit for 'Speak To Me' for example.

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    For a rabid socialist, Roger Waters seems awfully preoccupied by credits, property rights and his personal business interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangram View Post
    I just wanted the concert of the Animals tour. Maybe there isn't the professional, top shelf recording from the tour, but if they can make some of the stuff from the early box sets sound good (AHM, The Man, The Journey, SoS etc), there has to be some decent source material that they could have whipped into shape.
    I always thought there were soundboard recordings? Not professional multitracks, granted, but I've Genesis boots sourced from soundboards that sound decent.

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    Not including the multi-tracked Wembley, I think there's maybe one or two soundboards from 1974/5. One from Canada, ISTR.

    I'm not sure that there's any soundboard from this 1977 In The Flesh tour.

    Even earlier on, beyond Ummagumma and Pompeii (which wasn't in front of an audience), it's more things recorded for radio broadcast than what the band/EMI recorded themselves. Montreux 1970 is the only apparent exception and they only released one track from that ('Atom Heart Mother').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarplyrjvb View Post
    For a rabid socialist, Roger Waters seems awfully preoccupied by credits, property rights and his personal business interests.
    He's a human rights activist. I don't know of any indication that he's proclaimed himself to be a Socialist.
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    It's sad to see them still bickering after all of these years and with not that many years left.
    However, let us take nothing away from their younger incarnations who gave us such incredible music, words and pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post


    Different outlook

    Roger unilateraly disbanded the band after TFC because nobody was contributing anything anymore (Gilmour was probably saving his ideas for About Face), which he thought was mostly him (which given his overall artistic and behind the scenes (including saving from bankrupcy) efforts since 77 and even before, would have him feel entitled to do so). After Gilmour solo 84 tour (2000 seat theatres - not always well-filled) and Waters solo 84 tour (arenas - usually packed), Gilmour was probably given a kick in the butt (or slap in the face) that the pillow might deflate so he woke up and saw that Floyd was maybe worth keeping.

    Yeah, that's what I seem to recall Waters saying around that time, and the band didn't disagree with him until they wanted to use the name to make some serious money.

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    Waters is an terrifically aggressive jackass and can't help but be abrasive, but Dave is also being a little petty in not letting Roger advertise his shows on the PF site since so much of the music was written by him and is still performed by him. I saw Gilmour's About Face tour when it came to Los Angeles in 1984. He played the Universal Amphitheater which at the time (it's since been demolished to make way for Harry Potter World) sat a little over 6,000. That show at least was pretty much full and was an enjoyable gig overall. Mick Ralphs was the second guitarist, he of Bad Company fame. An interesting choice to say the least since his playing style is nothing like Dave's. Water's tour played the LA Forum a year later and sadly did not feature Eric Clapton as did the '84 shows. The Forum back then held about 17,000 so quite a bit larger than the UA where Gilmour played. The gig wasn't sold out but was well attended. Also an excellent show with the second set being a complete run through of Hitchhiking. Obviously Dave went on after to reform Pink Floyd and Roger went on to Radio KAOS. Waters didn't tour Amused to Death while the PF machine was gearing up for a huge world tour around their next album. What I remember about those times is that after losing his lawsuit to prevent the band from using the name PF, Roger couldn't help but be critical of his former band at every turn over a multi year period. Whereas I don't remember the rest of PF slagging Water's solo material or tours publicly. Given the kind of water that is under the long running bridge now, I can't ever see a cease fire in the snarkyness until one or both parties are dead sadly. At least we finally get an Animals deluxe release. The last great PF album in my not so humble opinion. Those redacted release notes Roger published on his site are something to read. Very Roger centric as one might expect, but also his use of the phrase 'When I was in charge' is so unnecessary. I can see why Dave might object as Roger seems to have clearly gone out of his way to be a jolly old *unt yet again. Just my take, and I'll add my voice to those disappointed by the lack of proper live recordings of the Animals tour. I was too young to attend, but at least there are some decent sounding boots up. Killer band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    Waters is an terrifically aggressive jackass and can't help but be abrasive, but Dave is also being a little petty in not letting Roger advertise his shows on the PF site since so much of the music was written by him and is still performed by him. I saw Gilmour's About Face tour when it came to Los Angeles in 1984. He played the Universal Amphitheater which at the time (it's since been demolished to make way for Harry Potter World) sat a little over 6,000. That show at least was pretty much full and was an enjoyable gig overall. Mick Ralphs was the second guitarist, he of Bad Company fame. An interesting choice to say the least since his playing style is nothing like Dave's. Water's tour played the LA Forum a year later and sadly did not feature Eric Clapton as did the '84 shows. The Forum back then held about 17,000 so quite a bit larger than the UA where Gilmour played. The gig wasn't sold out but was well attended. Also an excellent show with the second set being a complete run through of Hitchhiking. Obviously Dave went on after to reform Pink Floyd and Roger went on to Radio KAOS. Waters didn't tour Amused to Death while the PF machine was gearing up for a huge world tour around their next album. What I remember about those times is that after losing his lawsuit to prevent the band from using the name PF, Roger couldn't help but be critical of his former band at every turn over a multi year period. Whereas I don't remember the rest of PF slagging Water's solo material or tours publicly. Given the kind of water that is under the long running bridge now, I can't ever see a cease fire in the snarkyness until one or both parties are dead sadly. At least we finally get an Animals deluxe release. The last great PF album in my not so humble opinion. Those redacted release notes Roger published on his site are something to read. Very Roger centric as one might expect, but also his use of the phrase 'When I was in charge' is so unnecessary. I can see why Dave might object as Roger seems to have clearly gone out of his way to be a jolly old *unt yet again. Just my take, and I'll add my voice to those disappointed by the lack of proper live recordings of the Animals tour. I was too young to attend, but at least there are some decent sounding boots up. Killer band.
    In the Flesh tour covered a few songs from ATD

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    ^Aquatarkus....I'd say The Wall is the last great Floyd album but I know that album is still polarizing to this day. The Final Cut is not my cuppa.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovecraft View Post
    What is particularly annoying is that there is no shortage of professional recordings from their underground era but so few from the bloated successful era. I suppose once they didn't really need to promote themselves anymore they were happy to ditch such odious activities!
    "Guys, forget about making plans to record all our future concerts. Let's do this French soft-drink advertisement!"

    BTW, I think they hit the bottom of the barrel when they finished "An Endless River."
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    ^Aquatarkus....I'd say The Wall is the last great Floyd album but I know that album is still polarizing to this day. The Final Cut is not my cuppa.....
    Definitely an argument can be made for the Wall's greatness and the weak songs (IMO) are essential to the flow given the concept and story. Lots of great moments to be sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    ^Aquatarkus....I'd say The Wall is the last great Floyd album but I know that album is still polarizing to this day. The Final Cut is not my cuppa.....
    I love The Final Cut but it would be hard to claim that it is classic Floyd album. It is great Roger Waters album with PF (or part of it...) as a backing band.
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    They weren't really a functioning band by the time of The Final Cut and it shows. There's some strong tracks on it, but it's very much Waters-dominated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytheman View Post
    In the Flesh tour covered a few songs from ATD
    He had a few songs from ATD but it was recorded 7 years after the ATD release. Anyone know why he didn't tour to support the album when it was released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    I saw Gilmour's About Face tour when it came to Los Angeles in 1984. He played the Universal Amphitheater which at the time (it's since been demolished to make way for Harry Potter World) sat a little over 6,000. That show at least was pretty much full and was an enjoyable gig overall. Mick Ralphs was the second guitarist, he of Bad Company fame. An interesting choice to say the least since his playing style is nothing like Dave's. Water's tour played the LA Forum a year later and sadly did not feature Eric Clapton as did the '84 shows. The Forum back then held about 17,000 so quite a bit larger than the UA where Gilmour played. The gig wasn't sold out but was well attended.
    OK, so Pink Floyd were big enough deal in LA that Dave and Roger did pretty good with their solo shows. From what I gather, a lot of other gigs on those tours (as well as the Radio KAOS tour), the venues were only like half full. Gilmour actually admitted when doing press for the About Face tour that he was aware that most people don't know that "David Gilmour is one of the people in Pink Floyd", so he was fine with promoters who billing him as "Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour" or whatever, in their advertising. Roger did the same thing, doing commercials that bill him as "The genius behind Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon and The Wall".

    I remember in the big cover story that Rolling Stone did on the Roger versus Floyd deal, in late 87, Roger reiterated the "People don't know my name" meme, saying that he'll meet people and they won't recognize his name, but then if he says "I was in Pink Floyd" or whatever, they go "Oh yeah, I LOVED Dark Side Of The Moon!" or whatever. I mean, this is 1987 we're talking about here. I think that whole very public episode, kinda made his name recognizable to people who don't read liner notes, credits, or bylines on records (which is, guess what, most people).

    Decades later, there was a thing about Pink Floyd on VH-1, I guess it was the big documentary that was made after the Live 8 deal, and Roger admits that part of his gripe was that "Pink Floyd" could fill a 70,000 seat football stadium three nights in a row. On the other hand, "Roger Waters" was struggling to fill venues a 10th of that size for just one night in the same city.

    Actually, truth is, ti's like that with most bands. Most people couldn't tell you who was in Lynyrd Skynyrd, Asia, or any number of other bands. Other than The Beatles The Rolling Stones, and Led Zeppelin, most bands, the individual band members (other than perhaps the lead singer and maybe the lead guitarist, e.g. Aerosmith or Van Halen) or just as unknown to people as...well you or me. That's why Gary Rossington can carry on touring with a Lynyrd Skynyrd where he's the only guy who was in the plane crash still in the band, or there could be two Asia's on the road at one point, because most people don't know who was in the band and could care less that they're effectively watching a tribute band.
    Roger couldn't help but be critical of his former band at every turn over a multi year period.
    It went further than that. I remember in one of the Pink Floyd books I read that Roger was touring Radio KAOS while Floyd were rehearsing for the A Momentary Lapse Of Reason tour. Whichever city it was that Floyd were rehearsing in, at some point, Roger played a show there. Now, according to the Nicholas Schaffner book, Roger had his own security team patrolling the venue, because he didn't want anyone from the Floyd camp at the gig. Scott Page snuck through because "Nobody knew what Pink Floyd's new sax player looked like". Scott said that he thought it was a great show, great band, but when they did the old songs "It didn't sound like Pink Floyd, it sounded like a funk band".

    That and, I think it was Nick who identified his worst nightmare as "Roger back in Pink Floyd" are about the only digs I remember seeing anyone in the Floyd camp taking at Roger (well, there was another snarky comment about Roger behaving like a particularly naughtly child, something like "no spending money for two weeks if he was my lad" or something like that).

    Roger, meanwhile griped to Rolling Stone 87 (perhaps legitimately) about how "that's my crashing plane, my pig, my songs...it's their dry ice, though". Then I remember him doing an interview around the time of Amused To Death where he again felt compelled to take swipes at them. Then there was something around the time Pulse came out, where he said something to the effect that "they have no clue how to play my songs" or something like that.
    (anyone notice Roger's tastes in backup guitarist; Clapton,
    Then in the tour program for the 1999 tour, the one with Doyle Bramhall II on guitar, he makes a comment about Jon Carin, who was playing keyboards, guitar, lap steel and vocals on that tour, saying something like "I saw him playing with a band...what were they called? Oh yes, Pink Floyd 1987, Ltd".

    So yeah, for at least 12 years, he just couldn't his mouth shut about the matter. BTW, it's worth noting that by 1999, Roger's public profile had risen to the point that even here in Cleveland, Ohio, he was playing the local basketball arena. As I recall, the show was originally booked for the smaller, outdoor Nautica Stage, but the tickets sold out so fast and there was so much of a demand, they moved it to Gund Arena. And he's played there a handful of times since, which as far as I can tell were well attended also (I missed the last two, but I saw his swing through here on the circa 2007 tour cycle, and like in 1999, the house was packed).

    Mick Ralphs was the second guitarist, he of Bad Company fame. An interesting choice to say the least since his playing style is nothing like Dave's.
    Well, I think Mick mostly played rhythm guitar anyway, so it wasn't like he had to replicate any of Dave's solos (for what it's worth, if you listen to the live versions of Learning To Fly, you'll note that Tim Renwick plays the solos, and you can hear how different his playing is from Dave's also).

    But that was a really solid band Dave had in 84: Mick Ralphs, Chris Slade (formerly of Uriah Heep and Manfred Mann's Earth Band) on drums, session bassist Mickey Feat on bass, former Uriah Heep keyboardist Gregg Dechert, Raphael "Baker Street" Ravenscroft on sax and synth, and Jodi Lindscott on percussion. That Live At The Hammersmith Odeon video from that tour is really cooking.

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    What was the name of Niget Tufnel's (or was it Dave St Hubbins') GF again??
    Jeannie Pettybone, I seem to remember.
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