Good points... Agreed, I personally thought the LP was very good as was Ray. Those tunes were great live particularly The Dividing Line. Nir Z was superb. Ray pulled off the Gabriel area tunes extremely well and had more fans saw this they may have had a better reception. As a fan of that lineup I'd would like to have seen what a follow up sounded like.
Someone was selling a copy of the Poland show on Amazon and I picked it up.
The quality leaves a lot to be desired, but at least we have a copy of the entire show.
Agreed, the Dividing Line and a couple other one's are very impressive. Nir Z was fantastic, especially on that tune.
I don't think I've ever seen Mike as enthusiastic as he was playing some of these songs. They handled the CAS tunes very well.
I've also wondered what a follow up album and tour would be like.
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Plus, I know we all like to bemoan when prog bands try to produce commercially successful music, but it didn't help that they had nothing on the radio (granted, radio was in its death throes anyways), so how many people were even aware they were back? I remember when ELPowell toured behind their album. They had the one song and video that was making the rounds. Yes, they were barely able to put together a tour, but they DID tour. Too bad Genesis didn't have "Roses" on CAS -- it might have helped push them over the edge in North America.
I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.
What if reality wasn't reality and it was just stuff I want, projected from my mind? That would be awesome.
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I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.
Yes. I mean, the market itself had obviously changed- see Collins' faltering solo sales. This was the beginning of an era where pretty much all rock artists of a certain age would struggle to have bona fide hit singles.
But, assuming the market hadn't changed, there was really nothing on that album which would have been a big hit and Ray Wilson has said as much. ('Not About Us' is probably the best of the singles.) In the Chapter and Verse book he said something like he didn't hear the 'No Son Of Mine' or the 'Mama' on the album, and IMHO he was right. And that was a problem given the many years of hits with Collins.
I actually think there's some good stuff on that album but the ballads like 'Shipwrecked' and 'If That's What You Need' feel like Mechanics cast-offs. So the album ends up falling between two stools.
TBH I watched a show from that tour online years ago and wasn't that impressed, compared with the high standards of their shows with Gabriel/Collins.
I remember seeing the video for...what was it? Congo? I remember seeing it, I think exactly once on MTV or VH-1. That was it. Maybe if VH-1 had gotten behidn the single, it might have been different. But I think maybe Phil was so ubiquitous in the media int he 80's and early 90's that it seemed like he WAS Genesis, at least as far as people like MTV or VH-1 were concerned and it was like everyone decided, "This band doesn't have a chance without him". (shrug)
I think Congo was a pretty strong single, but that bizarre video might not have helped. I dunno…
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Thanks for the link. That was quick! I watched it all today. Honestly, better than I was expecting but this was a love fest. The crowd wanted to see Genesis and were sympathetic to Phil's health issues and the ravages of Father Time. He was better on some songs than others but this wasn't the crowd to judge. Nic played well on drums but at this stage of his career, he wasn't making anyone forget what monsters Phil and Chester Thompson were. The faithful were happy with the show, laughed at Phil's jokes and got to see the last go round of one of prog/rock/pop giants of the 70's and 80's.
Now if they could somehow get Hackett and Gabriel to show up for the last show of the tour...
I saw the Hackett Seconds Out show the other night and it was wonderful, everyone played immaculately. I never picked up a Genesis ticket, and with my appetite for more whetted, I kind of regret that now. I wasn’t sure I wanted to see the last rites performed on one of the best bands of all time, but enough people I respect have told me how emotionally moving the show was. It has me looking for a couple of tickets, provided the price is not too crazy. If I get to see them one more time that will be great, if I don’t, then I’m not too sad. I do recommend the Hackett show though if you get a chance.
Hey man, I have a couple of tickets to the Leeds show on September 27th. I realize that Leeds is a bit of a drive from London and it's short notice, but I won't be able to attend that show (I'm going to the one in North Carolina instead). I'd sell you one (or both), just PM me if you're interested. They're pretty good seats.
I'd love to catch one of Hackett's shows again. He and his band put on a fantastic performance when I saw them in 2014.
"what's better, peanut butter or g-sharp minor?"
- Sturgeon's Lawyer, 2021
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Seldom we see such emotional farewell ... it's coming soon
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