Thread: The Last Domino tour 2021

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    [QUOTE=aith01;1068985]That was the first day of rehearsals, and yeah it was rough. Phil even said so. But that's why they have rehearsals/practice, and he was sounding much better (IMO) by the time they got to the full production rehearsal for Mama.

    Now that I've seen the whole thing, I do agree that he got better as the rehearsals progressed, which makes sense as his voice was re-acclimating to singing those songs albeit mostly in lower keys than the originals. Re-pitching songs is understandable, too, especially with all the "belters" that Phil sang in the 1980s. That said, I'm of the opinion that Mama should NOT be on that setlist. Phil's voice cannot do it justice anymore. The beginning of that was particularly dire. It did LOOk great, though.

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    I was also on the fence about hearing Mama in a lower key, but I think it adds even more of a sinister tone to the song.

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    I can't fault anyone who has never seen the band for wanting to at least see them this time, since it's almost certainly the last chance. If they are willing to pay those prices, and have seen this documentary, they know what they're getting, so far be it from me to temper their excitement. Let them go and enjoy the show, and I will check it out on DVD, thereby at least contributing on some level. And hey, maybe I'll find I really like some of it. The light show certainly looks fantastic.

    I'll just hang on to my memories of the last time I saw them, as we all do with our favourite bands. For contrast/interest's sake/reminder, this is what it looked like then:



    (skip to 7:57 for the moment I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. I used to tell people they haven't lived until they've felt Phil's drumming course through their body.)
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    I'm pretty sure this documentary was made a year ago, and we have no footage of recent rehearsals preparing for the fall tour of 2021.
    A lot can happen in a year, and who knows, Phil may have studied this video and rehearsed his vocals at home during the 2nd shutdown.
    Of course the setlist,instrumental, effects and visuals will be the same.

    They aren't coming to the Florida area, so it's not a decision I'd have to make.
    My wife and I have seen every Genesis tour with the Phil era except for one tour, and of course we went to the final tour, and as I've written before we even have a double cd of the mixing board from the Palace, Pontiac Mi show.

    Of course it won't be like that tour, and Phil is sitting down, the songs are in a lower key, and the dynamics have changed, but I would look at it as an event, a celebration of what for many is one of their favorite bands, who gave us lots of memories and great music along the way.
    Go to the show and be happy you get to see/hear them in a big big room with a lot of other people who feel the same way about them, and just have a good time.
    3 guys who will do a great show and most likely give you back the love you've shared with them over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I'm pretty sure this documentary was made a year ago, and we have no footage of recent rehearsals preparing for the fall tour of 2021.
    A lot can happen in a year, and who knows, Phil may have studied this video and rehearsed his vocals at home during the 2nd shutdown.
    Of course the setlist,instrumental, effects and visuals will be the same.
    A lot can happen in a year -- good and/or bad. For those attending, I hope Phil's voice (and overall health) did not deteriorate further and he is able to give a quality performance.

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    Looks like no surprises in the setlist either. Wasn't it mentioned sometime earlier that they were rehearsing Many Too Many at some point? oh well, I'll take what we can get since I'm betting this is the end for these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    I can't fault anyone who has never seen the band for wanting to at least see them this time, since it's almost certainly the last chance. If they are willing to pay those prices, and have seen this documentary, they know what they're getting, so far be it from me to temper their excitement. Let them go and enjoy the show, and I will check it out on DVD, thereby at least contributing on some level. And hey, maybe I'll find I really like some of it. The light show certainly looks fantastic.

    I'll just hang on to my memories of the last time I saw them, as we all do with our favourite bands. For contrast/interest's sake/reminder, this is what it looked like then:



    (skip to 7:57 for the moment I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. I used to tell people they haven't lived until they've felt Phil's drumming course through their body.)
    Appreciate you posting this! I skipped the '92 tour and I regret that decision. At the time I was happy to have seen the '81, '84 and '86/87 tours and my wife was pregnant with our daughter and so we passed on the We Can't Dance tour. They sound great in this long old medley of tunes. I've never seen this previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgtlman View Post
    Wasn't it mentioned sometime earlier that they were rehearsing Many Too Many at some point?
    I don't know where that would have come from. Phil has never liked the song, and it would be a tough sell for Mike as well, to resurrect an obscure Banks track that was never even played live in the first place (no, the official video does not count).

    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    Appreciate you posting this! I skipped the '92 tour and I regret that decision. At the time I was happy to have seen the '81, '84 and '86/87 tours and my wife was pregnant with our daughter and so we passed on the We Can't Dance tour. They sound great in this long old medley of tunes. I've never seen this previously.
    It was really fantastic. At the time I was a 19 year-old and the only 'big' band I had ever seen was Rush. So to see Musical Box, Firth, Volcano, etc. was a huge moment for me. Prog at that time was just beginning to come out of its lowest point ever, popularity-wise, with the emergence of bands like Änglagård etc. (it was a tough time to be a prog nut when your high school years were 1987 - 1991) ... so it wasn't something to be taken for granted!

    Even the later material was great to see. Fading Lights was exceptional, with the three of them bashing away while Daryl & Chester left the stage. Moody stuff like Dreaming While You Sleep too, terrific. Phil running back and forth to and from his kit, and the drum duet with Chester. Spectacular!
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    I think as a whole yes, everyone who jumped in especially early and got hit with dynamic pricing got badly gouged on the price. I actually understand and appreciate the model as a whole and why it might actually work in fans' favor in the long haul but for proggers who are anxious to get in, get the best seats, and NOT be shut out, yes: you all got horribly mauled on prices.

    My reference point is the Roger Waters tour now currently scheduled for next summer. In 2019 I paid roughly $200 for a very excellent seat to that tour in the same venue. I checked the venue's site for Genesis tickets on the general sale Friday and the worst seats in the house, seats SO much further away from the seat I have for RW, were minimum $300. That's absurd. And those were the vastly better prices compared to what the presales were reaching a day or two prior.

    I see the documentary and I compare that to a nosebleed seat of $300? The truth is, yes...that's beyond imaginable to me. I know the arguments in favor, I do. And I bite my tongue when I hear the bits about "well, I'm a true fan so I have to go" because I'm a true fan and IMHO a bigger fan of the 80's/90's Genesis than many of the folks here (I know you're also a fan tho ), and thus arguably even MORE of the target audience than those of you paying insane prices to hear maybe 20% of a set list that will actually be enjoyable.

    I try not to rain on parades, I really do. But this one is like divide by zero for me. I'll back off now though, really don't want to derail things. Just felt like offering my honest thoughts. Sorry for the negativity.
    John, I'm sorry for jumping on what you said. I don't want you to "back off" or leave the discussion or anything like that. Some of the comments in this thread were beginning to get me down, and then when I read yours it really bummed me out for some reason. But I hadn't had my morning coffee yet, and it was while in the middle of work, so it was probably just a bad time for me to be reading/posting on PE at all.

    I'm not very familiar with the dynamic pricing model and how that works. $300 for a seat in the nosebleeds for any concert is absurd, I agree. I paid a little over $300 for my ticket, but it's in the lower level (and definitely not nosebleed), so I don't feel I got gouged personally -- some folks might disagree, but it's all relative. I think it'll be worth it to me at least.

    For the last several years I've known what kind of shape Phil is in, so the documentary wasn't particularly surprising to me (in fact, the "Mama" rehearsal I found rather encouraging). Seeing Mike, Tony and Phil all bantering and joking and laughing together brought a smile to my face. They seemed to be enjoying being together again. Any time it showed footage of them back in "the good old days", yeah I did feel sad because none of them are that youthful anymore. I wish Phil could still drum like he used to (or at all), and dance around on the stage with the tambourine to "I Know What I Like" like back in the 70s/80s (maybe I'm in the minority on that second part ). But I accept who Phil, Mike and Tony are today, limitations and all, and I still want to see them. Their glory days are still well-documented, and I'm grateful I can revisit those anytime I feel like it. I'm also grateful that I've got one last chance to see them in concert too.

    I'm thinking that maybe I should leave this thread instead, as I probably don't have much to contribute. I'm beginning to sound like a broken record to myself.


    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    And I bite my tongue when I hear the bits about "well, I'm a true fan so I have to go" because I'm a true fan and IMHO a bigger fan of the 80's/90's Genesis than many of the folks here (I know you're also a fan tho ), and thus arguably even MORE of the target audience than those of you paying insane prices to hear maybe 20% of a set list that will actually be enjoyable.
    I know what you mean. Genesis could play virtually any of their songs from only post-1980 and I'd still be satisfied. That probably puts me in a minority here on PE.

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    I can't imagine Tony even being on board for Many Too Many, which is a nice song, but comparatively they need to pick and choose which older tracks to play. Tony wanted to play 'Blood On The Rooftops' the last go around, but Mike said no and they settled on Ripples. Either would be preferable to both the band and most of the audience I think. If they're going to do a more obscure mellower older track of Tony's, 'Time Table' would be a nice surprise, but I'd be floored if they did it.

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    I have to be honest that the video dampened my excitement for the show. That and the fourth wave and how this impacts on Canadian venues - things aren't wide open as in the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquatarkus View Post
    Appreciate you posting this! I skipped the '92 tour and I regret that decision. At the time I was happy to have seen the '81, '84 and '86/87 tours and my wife was pregnant with our daughter and so we passed on the We Can't Dance tour. They sound great in this long old medley of tunes. I've never seen this previously.
    I notice you can distinguish the drums in this clip as opposed to the new documentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill g View Post
    If they're going to do a more obscure mellower older track of Tony's, 'Time Table' would be a nice surprise, but I'd be floored if they did it.
    I doubt Phil or Mike even remember that one, to be honest. That's just as distant a possibility as Many Too Many (I know you know that already Bill! ) I don't expect any big surprises - certainly not of that calibre, but really no medium-sized surprises either. I hope I'm wrong though, will be fun to see if I am. If there is a big 'I didn't expect that' moment in the set, I feel pretty safe in assuming it won't be an ancient album track that has never been played live.

    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I have to be honest that the video dampened my excitement for the show.
    In a way, it's good that this thing came out ahead of time and let people know what to expect. Going in with too high expectations would lead to disappointment for some fans, no doubt.
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    Wouldn't it be cool if they did "Supper's Ready?" Just to see all the heads spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    I try not to rain on parades, I really do. But this one is like divide by zero for me. I'll back off now though, really don't want to derail things. Just felt like offering my honest thoughts. Sorry for the negativity.
    nah dude, you're just acknowledging the naked emporer in the room

    That being said, I hope the 3 amigos go out with a bang and kill it every night. But yeah, I wouldn't pay $300 for nosebleed seats if it were the Pink Floyd Gilmour and Waters kiss and make up tour

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    nah dude, you're just acknowledging the naked emporer in the room
    How is this an “emperor’s new clothes” situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    How is this an “emperor’s new clothes” situation?
    And I didn't pay $300, and have way better than nosebleed seats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    Wouldn't it be cool if they did "Supper's Ready?" Just to see all the heads spin.
    They are planning on doing the last 10 minutes but the band is not sure if they can pull this off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarmsuh View Post
    They are planning on doing the last 10 minutes but the band is not sure if they can pull this off.
    I'd pay $300 for a nosebleed seat just to see this.

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    I'd pay $300 for a nosebleed seat just to see this.
    Among the lovely things about Invisible Touch is that the tour gave us IMHO one of THE best old medleys the band has ever done. It's a goddamned Greek tragedy that it was never released officially. The latter half in particular is an absolute scorcher. Not even the sporadic use of electronic drum sounds and the uncomfortable awareness of mullets could distract from how incredible the band was.



    Nic Collins is a fine drummer. This is beyond his capacity to deliver with half the fire of his father, even his father back in the 80's. And PC is incapable of delivering this vocal line, no matter how far down it is detuned (for reference, go back and watch/listen to the latter half of Domino from the PBS rehearsal footage).

    I'll throw a breadcrumb to the hopeful though...since PC can barely stand it would not at all shock me to see them do a small acoustic-style bit during the show ala the Yes Songs from Tsongas tour or the Calling all Stations tour. IF they do that, I could see them dropping in a bit of the start of Supper's Ready.
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    ^ pretty killer medley there. Phil sounds great. Did Tony hit the wrong "Hammond" patch during the 9/8 section? The lighting was probably poor

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    Yeah, great stuff in that medley. There are a couple of drum fills I miss during the first Cage keyboard solo, but that's just me being picky. This was an interesting time; some new fans were brought in via the new hit singles and left these shows with an appreciation for stuff like this that they had never heard before. Phil did such an admirable job of the vocals too, that's a hard song to sing. In That Quiet Earth sounded great too (fun fact: In That Quiet Earth often plays in my head without me realizing it, usually first thing in the morning when I get up. I have no idea why. Sometimes after a few minutes I realize I've been thinking of every note of it in real time, and it has eventually drifted into Afterglow. Strange, but it's been happening for years). Apocalypse in 9/8 is great, but the final section is played a bit slow for my tastes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koreabruce View Post
    Foot drop. It's why he has trouble walking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_drop This is in addition to the other maladies mentioned by SteveSly.

    I strongly recommend Phil's book "Not Dead Yet." He is pretty candid about all of his issues, even those that are not particularly flattering.
    I am under the impression that the "foot drop" thing is another side effect of his back problems.

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