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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    These are all from the Dean/Greaves/Hewins/Pyle lineup and recorded by Hewins with an onstage cassette recorder, from the same 2 tours that A Veritable Centaur is sourced from.
    Not exactly. Despite what it says on the CD, there is nothing from 1988 on A Veritable Centaur - it was probably a convenient lie to hide the fact that the long track was a (1983) BBC session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Now, why the first album failed to get a UK release for several more years, and then only as part of a 2-on-1 with the second, is probably another story.
    What a strange practice that was! I wonder if the reason for Genesis' Nursery Cryme and Supper's Ready being released in that format was at all the same? Talk about commoditization of music, eh? "If you like the idea of buying this band's music, then buy this! We've crammed two LPs together into a single package and destroyed the original artistic conception of both in the process. But you won't mind: it's good value for money!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    What a strange practice that was! I wonder if the reason for Genesis' Nursery Cryme and Supper's Ready being released in that format was at all the same? Talk about commoditization of music, eh? "If you like the idea of buying this band's music, then buy this! We've crammed two LPs together into a single package and destroyed the original artistic conception of both in the process. But you won't mind: it's good value for money!"

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    That's how I got the first 2 Floyd albums originally, as A Nice Pair stuck together as a double album with new art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    That's how I got the first 2 Floyd albums originally, as A Nice Pair stuck together as a double album with new art.
    Likewise Focus' Hamburger Concerto and Mother Focus were release as a 2on2 gatefold vinyl unit, but no new artwork
    never seen the Cryme/Foxtrot 2on2 vinyl release though.
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    I have never listened Soft Heap's A Veritable Centaur. How is it soundwise and music-wise? Is it all improvised or is there structured material as well?

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    ^ -Some- structure, albeit not as obvious. I mean, this was supposedly their very concept; to work around arrangements. It's been a long time since I heard Centaur though, as I usually pull out the 'spaghetti' album when I reach for some hot Heap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conti View Post
    I have never listened Soft Heap's A Veritable Centaur. How is it soundwise and music-wise? Is it all improvised or is there structured material as well?
    All free improv. Mark Hewins was quite experimental with his guitar sounds, that was a big element of their approach. They didn't attempt to do any of the written stuff the previous band relied on - I don't think there was much free improv in the Gowen days except in the studio ("AWOL" and a lot of extra stuff that didn't make it to the album).
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    ^ Well, at least I'm proven wrong again. I keep hearing the Heap debut when I'm supposed to hear the third one.
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    ^Thanks for the replies. I'm a big fan of the first Soft Heap album, maybe I try to check out Centaur once the opportunity comes. The spaghetti album is pretty great too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    That's how I got the first 2 Floyd albums originally, as A Nice Pair stuck together as a double album with new art.
    with new art AND the version of Astronomy Domine from UmmaGumma instead of the Syd version, iirc!
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    Was Soft Heap the next band Pip was involved in directly after National Health, or did he play on something else in between? The Spaghetti album is not one of my most played Canterbury albums, so I will try and hit it later on today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Was Soft Heap the next band Pip was involved in directly after National Health, or did he play on something else in between? The Spaghetti album is not one of my most played Canterbury albums, so I will try and hit it later on today.
    Actually Soft Heap started DURING National Health. Actually, the 1st Soft Heap tour clashed with NH's own UK tour with Steve Hillage, which is why Soft Head (with Dave Sheen) happened. Soft Heap next manifested itself right around the time when the NH Sextet with George Born and Lindsay Cooper were beginning to rehearse. There were days when Pip had to do both. After Hugh left and John Greaves replaced him, Soft Heap mostly did a UK tour right after NH (3/4ths of SH were also in NH) returned from their US tour. I don't think they were active at all after NH split up in early 1980. In April 1981, they had a gig booked but Alan was too ill to join them so they asked Mark Hewins to "replace" him, and they enjoyed the combination so much that it became Pip's main band (alongside In Cahoots) until he formed Equip'Out in 1984. Then Soft Heap reformed for a couple of gigs in 1988, and later private get-togethers at Pip's house near Paris. There were also variants like the Mad Axe Quartet (Hewins, Hopper, Sheen & Lol Coxhill).

    Notwithstanding my love of Pip's drumming, I like the Soft Head album much more than the Soft Heap album. Just a great vibe, great music and great playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    What a strange practice that was! I wonder if the reason for Genesis' Nursery Cryme and Supper's Ready being released in that format was at all the same? Talk about commoditization of music, eh? "If you like the idea of buying this band's music, then buy this! We've crammed two LPs together into a single package and destroyed the original artistic conception of both in the process. But you won't mind: it's good value for money!"

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    There was also a whole series from WB called Two Originals often with the the original covers in the inner gatefold but a horrible outer gatefold, that was drawn. I still have the Yes/ Time And A Word and a couple of others. The Zappa one (from memory Weeasels and BWS) had a decent cover with Zappa nitting. The worst is the Carly Simon twofer, she should have sued WB for this cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    That's how I got the first 2 Floyd albums originally, as A Nice Pair stuck together as a double album with new art.
    To stay a bit in the Canterbury-vein: the first two LP's by Solution were also released as double-album in 1976, a year after Cordon Bleu gave the Dutch band a lot of airplay.
    https://www.discogs.com/Solution-Sol.../master/401269

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    Quote Originally Posted by interbellum View Post
    To stay a bit in the Canterbury-vein: the first two LP's by Solution were also released as double-album in 1976, a year after Cordon Bleu gave the Dutch band a lot of airplay.
    https://www.discogs.com/Solution-Sol.../master/401269
    Soft Machine 1 & 2 got also a twofer release

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard View Post
    The Zappa one (from memory Weeasels and BWS) had a decent cover with Zappa nitting.
    Yes, the Zappa Two Originals was Weasels/BWS and had a decent cover (toothpaste being shot from a gun). I have A Nice Pair too (yes, with the Ummagumma version of "Astronomy Domine").

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    The Nursery Cryme/Foxtrot two-fer was called The Best...Genesis which implies a "Best Of" compilation, but it was not. Had a great cover, though.
    Later, I think another issue of those two came out with a black cover and stylized titles in the Whitehead mode. Both were gatefolds.

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    Did anyone get the Soft Works Abracadabra In Osaka live 2-CD set? I'm interested, but would like to know how it is first.
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    Did anyone get the Soft Works Abracadabra In Osaka live 2-CD set? I'm interested, but would like to know how it is first.
    I've got it and had a listen. I'd heard the undoctored recording years ago, but Mark Wingfield performed some remastering on it, as the drums were too loud and the guitar not quite loud enough. It still sounds that way a little, but it's significantly improved. And in any case, a strong performance, and you get to hear Allan actually playing with the others. I was at the sessions in London when, during playback, Allan requested that all his guitar solos be muted, as he intended to redo them back in California. He did put down some fantastic solos but some of the realism of the group performance was lost. Here, you get it, and there's some magical stuff happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    I've got it and had a listen. I'd heard the undoctored recording years ago, but Mark Wingfield performed some remastering on it, as the drums were too loud and the guitar not quite loud enough. It still sounds that way a little, but it's significantly improved. And in any case, a strong performance, and you get to hear Allan actually playing with the others. I was at the sessions in London when, during playback, Allan requested that all his guitar solos be muted, as he intended to redo them back in California. He did put down some fantastic solos but some of the realism of the group performance was lost. Here, you get it, and there's some magical stuff happening.
    Great, that's all I needed to sell me on it, thanks!
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    I've got a few of the two-fer CDs for Todd Rundgren and Hall & Oates. The main reason I got the Rundgren one was because it was the only version in print at the time (on the Edsel label, I think), and it had Hermit of Mink Hollow, The Ever-Popular Tortured Artist Effect and Healing spread across two discs. I already had Hermit (of course ), but not the other two so it wasn't a bad deal really. Guess that would technically make it a three-fer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    with new art AND the version of Astronomy Domine from UmmaGumma instead of the Syd version, iirc!
    I think that was only in the US, the UK version was the original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    I think that was only in the US, the UK version was the original.
    Did NOT know that! Ta!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    I've got it and had a listen. I'd heard the undoctored recording years ago, but Mark Wingfield performed some remastering on it, as the drums were too loud and the guitar not quite loud enough. It still sounds that way a little, but it's significantly improved. And in any case, a strong performance, and you get to hear Allan actually playing with the others. I was at the sessions in London when, during playback, Allan requested that all his guitar solos be muted, as he intended to redo them back in California. He did put down some fantastic solos but some of the realism of the group performance was lost. Here, you get it, and there's some magical stuff happening.
    Yes, Mark did a great job remastering this. He tells about it shortly in the liner-notes. I really like this set and you can hear the band is a lot more tighter than during the Progman Cometh Music Festival-show one year earlier.

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