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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    That's exactly what made me give up contributing to Wikipedia pages, when some watchdog reprimanded me for including (factual) information sourced from direct correspondence with the artist, and explained to me that, in contrast, anything sourced from some online blog would be deemed acceptable just because you can link to it.
    You could take the deleted info and paste it into a text file, host the text file on Calyx, and then restore the material using a link to the text file as a cited source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    You could take the deleted info and paste it into a text file, host the text file on Calyx, and then restore the material using a link to the text file as a cited source.
    Pain in the rumpster but in theory could work....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Jesus!

    I'm an historian, and I can tell that this is essentially what's happening within Western academia as a whole as well. They 'pick/select' literature and sources/information from what "appears in conjunction".

    These are f'n dangerous times, and I find them disconcerting.
    Wow, I'm an historian too and I had exactly the same thought when I read that. The guy is offering first hand sources and factual infos dammit, hellllooooooo

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    Well, they have to be sure that people aren't just making stuff up. If you can provide a link to your source, it's obviously true, because, you know...it's on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    You could take the deleted info and paste it into a text file, host the text file on Calyx, and then restore the material using a link to the text file as a cited source.
    It's not necessarily Canterbury stuff in the strict sense. The example I had in mind was Cyrille Verdeaux/Clearlight. The argument centered on "Delired Caméléon Family" being a Clearlight album or not - it's not, but the guy insisted it was. I had a signed statement by Cyrille that it wasn't, yet the guy rejected it on account of it not being (Internet-) "sourced".

    I was luckier with the page on Cressida - despite not being properly sourced (although I credited my general source as being the fanzine Ptolemaic Terrascope), it has remained mostly untouched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Jesus!

    I'm an historian, and I can tell that this is essentially what's happening within Western academia as a whole as well. They 'pick/select' literature and sources/information from what "appears in conjunction".

    These are f'n dangerous times, and I find them disconcerting.
    'My feelings' and cherry picking is the preferred method these years.

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    Again one of the treasures on the Phil Miller Legacy site :
    Hatfield and the North Guildford 29 / Nov/74 ( 62 Minutes)
    "This is a fairly ambient room mic recording, a spirited and lively performance but a little bass light. Some incredible blowing and re-arrangements here proving how fluid The Hatfields could be live." A. Leroy
    100 % Agreed, the whole mumpish part is quite different from the other recordings, a bit freer going into 79 National Health territory. This might have been one of the reasons of the split that Miller, Sinclair & Pyle wanted to improvise more while Stewart was more on the structured composed side, but in this concert the combination works just great.

    https://philmillerthelegacy.com/musi...-guildford-74/

    Billie Bottle & The Multiple will release a new record in may, already some tracks to listen too on the bandcamp site and a great video clip.

    Two of the older tracks from a tribute to Phil Miller the first with the melody of Above and Below and the lyrics a collage of Miller compositions





    and Cogs with a great animated clip from the forecoming record



    https://billiebottle.bandcamp.com/al...-other-place-2
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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard View Post
    Again one of the treasures on the Phil Miller Legacy site :
    Hatfield and the North Guildford 29 / Nov/74 ( 62 Minutes)
    "This is a fairly ambient room mic recording, a spirited and lively performance but a little bass light. Some incredible blowing and re-arrangements here proving how fluid The Hatfields could be live." A. Leroy
    It's not me who wrote that, but Doug Boyle. Doug was involved in the early days of the site, but then ran out of time and I took over.
    This being said, I wholeheartedly endorse what Doug wrote !
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    While waiting for the new record I listened to some older Billy Bottle tracks, great stuff . This one is from Unrecorded Beam :
    "This mini-epic concept album, set to the poetry of American Transcendentalist, Henry David Thoreau, connotes nostalgia and whimsy, whilst pushing the experimental/free-improvisational boundaries; warranting its release with the longstanding avant-garde label, Leo Records. "
    Billie Bottle was a pianist in the Mike Westbrook Band and on this track you can feel the influence of Westbrook

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    Well, I feel like the guy who turned up late at a party to find that everyone is just about to leave. Oh well, I'll just pop Of Queues and Cures on repeat and sit back on the sofa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piskie View Post
    Well, I feel like the guy who turned up late at a party to find that everyone is just about to leave. Oh well, I'll just pop Of Queues and Cures on repeat and sit back on the sofa...
    Nobody's leaving!

    Now playing: Gong - 2032 (This is one of their last, best albums with Daevid! From 2009.)
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    ^^^^ Good album 2032,despite Hillage's presence I find Shapeshifter and Zero to infinity more pleasing- maybe it tries too hard to be contemporary. Gets better as it goes on though. :-)
    I'm waiting for a copy of Playtime By National Health to turn up in the post.... (goes to check the door again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    Nobody's leaving!
    Except for the banned and damned
    'There are no certain answers and no time to understand / The goal's a changing paradise, a moment out of date'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piskie View Post
    I'm waiting for a copy of Playtime By National Health to turn up in the post.... (goes to check the door again)
    An under-acclaimed release it seems, I guess because it's so different from the two studio albums, but I really like it.

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    ^^ Not arrived today. Hey ho...wait a bit longer.. sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    An under-acclaimed release it seems, I guess because it's so different from the two studio albums, but I really like it.
    In all honesty, Playtime has never clicked with me, both because the writing style changed without Stewart and because they sound a bit sloppy on these gigs (having a guest second guitarist who doesn't know the material on some of the tracks is one reason). The Phil Miller Legacy site has some other recordings of this band that I may give a close listen sometime soon. Aymeric Leroy's liner notes for Playtime are worth the price of the CD though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piskie View Post
    Hello! I have just joined the Forum, and as I have been on a personal Canterbury binge for the last 12 months (at least), I thought I would drop in to say how much I have enjoyed this thread- and 'binges' from previous years which I have been slowly working through. Don't ever stop!
    Greetings, Piskie - I figured I'd get around to your post(s) dreckly...you may be the only person around here who'll figure out my moniker (which is inspired by John Surman's great album, The Road to St Ives.

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    ^^ Yes per anporth, the name did not go un-noticed!

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    Let me just interject here (as big of a Canterbury fan as I am, I don't believe I've ever posted in this or any of the previous "Canterbury Binge" threads before!). I've been a big Gong fan since I bought the "Angel's Egg" LP soon after it was released. But when the Universal/Virgin remasters of the trilogy came out a couple of years ago (I got the 2-CD versions, the big box was just too much for my budget), I just went hog-wild listening to all my studio albums, live albums, and solo albums, and watching DVD's and YouTube videos of live performances and interviews. That's like a two-year binge that shows no sign of stopping. Sure, I listen to lots of other stuff, too, but it seems like something Gong-related gets played several times a week, and I can't say that about any other artist. The result is that Gong has elbowed its way into one of my very favorite artists of all time! Okay, that's all I had to say...

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    ^^^ Me too over the last 12 months!

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    I am enjoying reading Kevan Furbank’s book – ‘Gong: Every Album, Every Song’ in the On Track series – and simultaneously working through all the Gong studio albums. It is interesting to listen to the albums again through someone else’s ears (so to speak) as his take on the tracks has a different focus to mine. The book is well written and informative, even though Gong’s history has been well documented over the years. It follows the template set by Ian MacDonald’s excellent ‘Revolution In The Head’ and has a pretty comprehensive and ultimately costly (as I catch up with missed albums) list of Gong-related albums. (Shamefully, for example, I had never heard of Gongzilla, a breakaway from Pierre Moerlen’s Gong.) I have already bought Camembert Eclectique (not Electrique), still just £8.33 (excluding tax and postage) on the Planet Gong website ($28 on Discogs and £27 on Amazon.co.uk, excluding postage). A bargain.
    'There are no certain answers and no time to understand / The goal's a changing paradise, a moment out of date'

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    ^^^ It's a shame that Kevin Furbank's book on Gong did not cover some of the key solo albums by Daevid Allen - 'Good Morning', 'Now Is the Happiest Time of Your Life' and N' Existe Pas!' are favourites of mine and more relevant to the Gong story than many of the side projects that are covered in the book. Otherwise a very enjoyable read!

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